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Mostly now.

I'm sorry to have to wait, but I have to respect that the treasurer's on the phone.

But there's nothing I can do to talk to him about a matter.

If I would know, and your folks would put me away, I would consider some of it.

Let me start this meeting with one .

I first want to say I am very grateful for the support we have had in this administration from this group.

I know that the Internet and agriculture seems widely recognized.

It comes across all of our organizations.

It's represented by the states.

And I know, too, that you are a group that are politically very conscious, not in any partisan sense, but that you realize that what happens in Washington, not only affecting your business, but affecting the economy, our foreign policy, and the rest, affects you.

And you're willing to do something about it.

And I must say, a lot of businessmen and others that I get around this table yell and yammer and talk a lot, but they don't do anything about it.

And you do, and I appreciate that.

I don't know how to spell it out.

My friend John Utters, he told me just to let you do.

The other thing I would like to say is that I appreciate the fact that this group, the other group, is a general group.

It's somewhat bold.

And this room is, uh, come in as a bedrock, a heartland, as you call it in America.

A heartland.

It's just all over the mountain.

That's it.

that you have such a strong deep commitment to what it stands for.

And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and,

Great statement by Andrew Orchard, his enormously effective job, its productivity, the quality of its product, etc., for American consumers and for that matter.

But beyond that, this group.

also has done a job far, going far beyond trying to do this work for the first time.

So there aren't any people needed in this company today.

And you may think that perhaps you're irrelevant to a small group.

I just want you to know that in this office, we have a kind of commitment and a kind of support of both parties.

Uh, now, regarding another thing, I, I missed your meeting in Chicago, but you were leaving away.

And, uh, I'd like you to make me a message that, uh, I want you to know that I can talk to our, uh, Vice President here at the hospital.

And, uh,

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As far as .

Anyway, I've been in Chicago .

Next thing will be.

So I miss the other guy very much.

I can't find some kind of authority or something to come to him.

I'd like to.

I think that what you can't do in these meetings each year, a lot of the years from this office, this has been a pretty good year.

It's just not a nice year.

But I'd like to.

I won't talk too long.

I did want to just discuss today some of these general thoughts and some of these things.

So with that introduction, and I throw them all over to Cliff Harding, and to Cliff, he's going to throw it all back across to Cliff.

We're really interested in hearing what your views are.

We've got many decisions in the present time, as you know, on this mystery that we have made regarding the importance and regarding the high school and all the rest.

Oh, maybe I should just make a statement.

I'm not sure where our differences are.

We do have a couple.

I just don't think it's important at all what the facts are or we are on production.

It's something that starts with that situation.

We were involved in both of these races, one that I see all the time.

I've worked with Terry Ray before at one time.

He did so at that time for a good reason.

And we better move.

Well, it did work, or something worked.

The production did increase.

I used to assume to Calvinist and Fred how long it would last, and the facts are that the production is running ahead of what we need to go.

Total consumption last year was up a little, per capita consumption down a bit, and the house that we have to buy was worth the price.

Also, that's a little higher than the past year than the year before.

Now, that's not the real issue.

The real issue is, in my mind,

Whether we dare raise the prices, which eventually results in some increase in retail level, maybe not immediately, because there is an accident, market prices are up towards now.

But there is a point in these agricultural commodities where we don't control supply.

If we go in the hill, where total returns start reducing, it boosts the price up.

And no one can rule whether we're at that point or not.

It's a matter of judgment.

And I think that's where our interest is at the time that we have talked with these men.

This is a time when I think we have to be stable.

We have to look at what's best for the men as well as the...

It's not in the barn.

You can use that little X-ray machine.

But that is what I think we, I'd like to hear what he's trying to pick up to us on the whole point.

That's right, that's right, that's right, that's right, that's right, that's right, that's right, that's right.

So we'd like to know your reasons.

All right.

First, Mr. President, I want to thank all these gentlemen.

I want to thank you for the opportunity to be here.

We know how busy you are, and we appreciate the opportunity to be heard by you.

These gentlemen all know a lot of people with an agricultural thing to do.

Having an agricultural background, they all

What you told me on the dole pan, you talked to me about the fact that your initial collision experience, Congressman, was more of a problem in the agricultural area, and you're aware of the economic importance of agriculture, and you have an unsubstantiated track record of supporting agriculture.

We all know that.

I called her and told her, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, quote.

We have no moral as to data, and it's strictly a matter of judgment.

We have had an opportunity, believe it's just our views, with the Secretary.

The points, the strategy briefs, the points of which we assume are of concern to you, I wish to face right up to them.

Number one, the bank on consumer prices.

But with the cost of that, the level that we're seeing is really a mark at this time.

And in our view, it looks to involve the increase in consumer prices.

Although we know that it's inevitable, there will be an unprecedented basis to the situation.

There have been some increases in consumer prices, so we've dealt with it.

And of course,

You know, it's more likely to be involved due to inflationary forces, which we are well aware are not pure inflationary forces.

And I'm not going to do this to the knee.

As far as farmers are concerned, I think that's pretty well reviewed.

The milk ratio has been 10 years, the cost of labor, everything that farmers use is involved in production of milk.

It's increasing and increasing and increasing, and they are in a real, real bind.

And it's our view that irreparable harm could result in less actions taken to at least try to save the school.

I know you know as we know that sometimes it's hard to convince a friend that what you're trying to do is good for him, and that's the posture that we've done here.

not sending the support at approximately 85%.

Our figures show Inwood, Resolve, Gemma increase in income for dairy farmers of a half a billion dollars.

And the cost to the government of setting up that picture would be a decrease of 30 to 35 million dollars.

So,

The original thing that we like to use on it is that if you get 20% of the application, you've got $150 million.

And so, in that view, we think that helps the government with the actual cost and application.

Another thing that is of concern to us as your friends is the timeliness of the action.

We all know that sometimes if action is delayed, it's not appreciated as it would be if it's taken in a timely manner.

And that's pretty well...

It's time to see the thing up.

As concise as I know how, insofar as our position.

Let me get this.

This is the real point.

The real point is this.

the question is, how are you going to look a year from now?

Now, does anybody have any other view on this?

This is an analyst's view.

I got some concern that it's been expressed as to whether or not if you go in and you go into 85, you know, the bigger instance, I mean, they're hard, but if he doesn't, what is he going to do in terms of,

of iteration and overproduction.

Isn't that really what you're talking about?

And that, because, what else do you want to say?

The three exactions show, of course, Harold knows he's facing nothing most of the rest of them do around the table.

And this is a great, great concern to us.

Harold, we thought, given their relationship, the sector has the price of water raised, and it had to be reduced in return.

produced because of a big increase in production by about 5 billion pounds in the price that are used in the 3,085-cylinder in 1952 and 3, down to 3,015 since in 1954 and 5, which is a steady, steady production.

The same thing happened again, and when Secretary of the Supreme Court came in, eight years later, the price was raised up to a high of 3.40 in 1961-62.

The production was at a very high of 126 billion pounds, and then the support price had to be dropped back to a low of 3.00, which was probably 29 cents a month.

Well, now, this is the past history.

This is what we're looking at.

If we knew, we wouldn't stimulate milk flow, and it wouldn't go on back up to 120, 22, 23, 24 billion pounds.

I don't think anybody would have any argument as to what we're doing.

But, man, we don't know, and we don't expect people to know either.

I didn't ask for that.

I said, we're going to get everybody to understand that.

of what the real situation is, because we did have a turnaround.

And I don't think that this is a true turnaround at first, although we have an increase of a billion pounds, because we did have a reduction in cow numbers still last year, and I don't think there'll be a reduction in all of those cows yet, as a result of it.

Really, I think the increase as a result of it

of milder weather in one time, which has quite a lot of blocks to the production of suppressants.

A milder one, it could get much better than a close one if you don't have a very severe one.

The previous one that had been very severe, the last one that was a mild one, and then there's probably better parts and feed and so on.

So there's another thing we can't control.

But we don't know that this is a real turnaround.

We've got to make a conscious decision of where it went to.

So that really is where we're in the dark, and we felt that a little bit more time should be given to find out if this really turned out.

Because we were at the rate of price of about $5, and we traded $4.66.

And we worked, in fact, up to 123 or 4 or 5 billion pounds, what we would have unless the capital consumption increased, unless the increasing population took it up in the marketplace.

The same amount of milk that cost 600 million dollars in 1962 would cost close to a billion dollars because of the difference in the price.

Food was just about five dollars instead of just over three dollars.

And this is not a real term that we have.

This is not a real term on how long.

It's still up for great prices.

All right, we'd like to start.

These organizations, which are at the tailings of my clients, represent about 80,000 dairy producers.

The first thing I had to learn when they came to us was the producer's not the cow, he's the farmer.

So I had to learn a lot since then.

We think that under the base plans which your administration has been so helpful, the Secretary of Defense has been so helpful in promoting, plus the new promotional legislation which permits money to be spent for certain types of promotion, which your administration also enthusiastically supports.

In fact, so far, except for the last week or two, there's been almost nothing that their industry has wanted that this administration has not been raised too drastically for.

The combination of those factors plus the turnaround in the last two quarters for last year, putting the two together, their industry is doing a more effective job than it's ever done before in coal production.

But I suppose as a lawyer in the City Attorney General's seat, I'd have to say that Secretary Campbell is right to this extent.

There's nobody that can absolutely swear in a stack of Bibles and absolutely guarantee that this turnaround might not be permanent.

Because they don't know that.

I lose that for sure.

But the odds are...

but the analysis is the same people who've been right now seven years

that this is not a turnaround.

That's our pretensions.

And we had it right.

I mean, they dressed him, didn't track him.

And this is not a turnaround.

And as the Secretary Campbell pointed out, it is a turnaround in total consumption.

I don't say that's a general argument, but it's okay, sir.

And as Mr. Harris pointed out, we do have a business now that is more about controlling consumption than production with this base plant legislation and this promotion legislation.

Over a six-day period of this organization, we have voluntarily invoked base plans which have demonstrated the ability to take a reduction to the consumers of eats.

Now this new legislation, we deal with each of these other areas, so we have that going for us that we haven't had before.

We have one additional item, which is very close to the Secretary's heart, I'll use a better term, which he says in the end, and that is this promotion legislation.

This room has demonstrated this.

She says the thousand-gallon market represents a very pleasing house of milk.

It's working to save money for a promotion.

And we're now on a program of developing promotional and marketing programs that are tied together, which is the first time this has ever happened.

But if we're going to take the money to do this, we've got to get it at a time when we're at least holding our own and not in a time of falling...

Yeah, one thing about that I just put aside is that the, I don't know what the medical profession, don't really know much about the rest of the world.

If you're feeling more cooperative, don't think about it.

But if you actually last a month and have a heart attack, well, I can think of a lot of other things I'm going to give you, but aren't you lost later?

I said, yeah, yeah.

We'll just have to drink a lot of water.

A lot of breath.

What does the medical profession do in that respect?

The rest probably goes up and down.

There's no age, no hospital.

I'm not sure.

As far as you know, related to stress, you'll have to test maybe one week in your life.

I thought it was normal, but naturally, it just made me feel low, which made me drink.

I think it was the other people who made me feel low.

The organization has wide-expense support from the organization.

Providing research money.

And we're talking about basic research, pure research.

For the first time, with the new, or yes, yes, we are pure research.

And we did this can't help it.

And it was 50 cents.

So what point is it going to be your business going into your promoting?

Everybody's going to get next to you and say, yes, take a sleep at a new service.

It's an article that we need to digest a couple of months ago.

But almost any, any personal studies will tell you there's a problem with anything.

that lack of a pill, I mean, which has side effects, which many times are not like the best thing you can do is a pill.

Any kind, maybe just a glass of wine.

You don't have to talk with it or anything like that.

It could be warm, it could be...

uh, tapping, or even cold pumping too, but it has a certain saluting effect.

And you get started on that.

Well, that's what you get out of my marketing picture today.

I already got that.

I can tell you that the sleep problem is, of course, it's an American psychosis at the moment, and all the fancy psychics who were victims of the American people as adults, uh, at this time, take some form of study

uh now here's here's here's the mouth he's going to work all the time sometimes you see so many problems you're not going to sleep but it's all psychological too because people think of it as well as a sleeping time it's all they did mr president

The difference between $4.66 and $5.00 is just about the ratio point as to whether the average dairy farmer in Oklahoma makes it or doesn't make it.

I believe that I'm as familiar with dairy operations as anybody in the state of Oklahoma.

In fact, all of the farmers over here have had it over all these years.

But where are you neat bunch of people, dairy farmers are?

We started out back when we could just use 10 gallon cans of an old Coober and get by.

But Mr. President, that doesn't exist today.

The inspectors say you have to have tile walls, you don't have to have the latest equipment.

You're talking about, in our loan corporation, I was looking the other day, and our average size loan to dairy farmers today is about $39,000 loan to those people.

And this credit is, but, but, I'm really conscious of this thing because I'm the fellow that approves those loans.

And I can see this gradually growing.

And I can see that Mr. Secretary is

If you give us another dime, would it cost us and not make us any money?

But we have bigger farmers that has to make X amount of dollars, and if he gets a higher price, he'll take those dollars, or if he doesn't get a higher price, he's going to put two and nothing else out there to get them anyway.

So it has both ways.

I can see this one, but he's got to have so many dollars, and it takes more pounds to get it, but he's going to produce so many pounds.

That is on a short amount basis.

Right.

But I'm talking from a...

He's a professional, but I'm talking...

I'm a dairy farmer because that's exactly what I am.

Would you say you would not milk any more cows than necessary?

In other words, you don't milk an extra cow just because you like to?

You're not looking for a job, are you?

I didn't get the point.

What an honest man.

Yeah.

Maybe they get it.

I don't know why I didn't ask you that.

Dairy...

Because of inflation, the necessity of a certain return, an income, he's looking for so much.

He's not melting gross, he's not melting the digital head of the cow just because he has a love for the very cow.

Although he does have a love.

So are you suggesting that the raise in the price in the support is not going to be necessary?

I don't think it will be necessary to increase.

Because we had this judgment.

Yeah, I'm not sure.

I'm sure.

But...

The reason, you know, what we're going to get down to is psychology.

Psychology.

Isn't it?

In fact, it's a very good thing.

It's a very good thing.

Your judgment on the psychology is likely not true.

It's a very good thing.

where it's about 120 different organizations.

And it's the last two or three years.

I've seen the values are now 120 different board of directors.

We just got together.

Now, as you say, as somebody said, Mary said a while ago that

This administration has been, and we've criticized this, you've been one of the best administrations we've had.

I just want to complain.

I come from the old loose Democrats, as you well know, so I'm just being very frank about it.

And the point here is that all of a sudden we get together, and right and real good,

And, uh, boy, this could be a real terrific blow.

We're trying to get into the decision of self-help.

If we do it, let's go ahead and do it.

But closer to a self-help.

Self-help is to eliminate the, uh, our automatic type of decision of fighting one another.

That's it.

And in the work program, we want to get the position so we can run our own system.

That's the work program.

Just because it's here, I have one.

But we can reach out there and take it now.

It's been talked about before.

And so we get all these organizations together, and here we are, and the costs are still going up, and all of a sudden, these people started looking at us and said, well, what happened here?

What happened?

And then our organization structure, when our organization structure, we can't get all, can't keep on moving towards it, see?

That's why they can't get themselves, and they're making inefficient plans like we're doing right now.

They're throwing sand, right?

Because they don't have value.

Now we put those consolidations together and we say, okay, you were an ex-cooperative and you were running 4% for this plan, and now we're all together, so there's no use in having that plan anymore.

Let's cut that volume over here another time.

So when we do that, then we raise the productivity of our only operability to pay in a cooperative system.

Why are you able to do that now?

Because you've brought the organizations together, right?

One of the organizations, what have they brought together in the last few years?

The last two years.

That's what you achieve.

It's non-spiritual.

You'll be saying, well, I'm sitting all right up here.

That is not true.

The road is not chapped.

That is not true.

Mr. President, I think probably, as far as experience is concerned, I've had a lot of questions.

I hear you.

If there's anyone I'm more afraid of, I'm going to sit down.

And I think I know what Dairy Farmers is thinking, and I think I know what kind of a job it is to get information community to Dairy Farmers.

As has been mentioned here, we have done remarkably well under Dairy's administration again.

general programs, we call it, for an average on promotion.

And the class one base plan.

These plans, we want all of them and we want to put them into force.

But as long as these dairy farmers feel that the price of milk is declining and going down, it's going to be difficult to sell them and use these programs that we already have.

I've worked with the administration, the administration worked with us.

I think that with all due respect to economists, they have overlooked a lot of the things

$4.00 or $100.00 from him, he'll get on the rocks.

But again, it causes people to make another ambiguous occupation because they don't like being salaried.

And unless the individual's dedicated to repairing them, he's not going to stay down that way.

And I'll admit that the increase in price, I mean the increase in production is probably out there, prevails now, and that it's a matter of facts and figures.

Beyond a doubt, I bet it's going to influence things that much.

Experiences won't be a joke, I'm telling you.

Well, another point, Mr. President, is that in the southeast of these areas, they're very conscious that they're caught in this inflation, which is not certainly yours.

And their costs are up, and yet their prices are now, because of the support, are going to be going down.

It will cost them...

Well, they're just going to lose ground, and they're going to be, to put it rudely frank, I'm satisfied they're reborn.

They're not even going out of business.

You're already stopping referring to the Georgians or the South Carolinians.

Kentucky, Virginia, Kentucky, Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee.

And that's a pretty, pretty big deal.

What do we have?

It's approximately about six billion pounds.

We've been marketing here, we've been cooperating for about 14 to 15 billion pounds in Southeast Asia.

And we're satisfied in our judgment, as well as the judgment of the other members of the table, that production isn't going to be, it's not going to be on the increase.

Let me come to the key point.

Supposedly, it doesn't.

What do you think you can do about it?

I think the suppression and the

to take care of this is the self-help

I think it's under the

I wondered what process there was available.

You really mean that you were so well-organized that you think you might be able to get that?

You couldn't have done that, say, like, Mr. Hedger-Metsen.

You don't know that at all.

Mr. Hedger-Metsen, our main partner, thanks for all the things you did.

This is a very important point.

What do you...

This is a new factory that Dr. Camillo says they have now.

Yes, that's correct.

Well, Mr. Secretary, I'd like to take this, but you just take a picture.

I'll take a picture.

Yeah, excuse me, go ahead.

I didn't realize, though, that you really did do this.

I was just going to say, you're talking about this psychology job.

That's really it.

Yes, I was responding.

He was going to go brave it out there.

For example, I didn't.

Well, you know, one of the major causes, one of the major leaders in the infrastructure, the construction trade, I had to take a very hard guess at the end of the day.

All right, it had to be done because they had a 22% increase this past year.

And so these are my good friends who believe in those construction trades.

My old man was a carpenter.

I respect those guys.

They're carpenters.

The names of all of them are good Americans.

They're decent people.

But some of their years went too far in this thing.

They priced themselves off the market.

So now we're getting into Canada.

We're staying up here.

Because what this day has stated, in effect, said to them,

And as far as the government's $14 million worth of contracts is concerned, that we will not be bound by a law passed in 1933.

And that requires us to go to a union contract.

We will go to a non-union contract, particularly union contractors.

It's precious stuff out of the market.

Now, so therefore, it's an enormous wall of humanity.

So what happens is these guys are all sitting down.

The problem they've got, the problem they've got gets back to the psychological problem they've got.

It's not, and I sit around with a delegation of leaders here.

when they got local leaders and others and say, well gee, I can't speak for that fellow, that guy up in New York, a student counselor, that fellow in Kansas City, Kansas City on the student council, the Chicago one, the Omaha one.

Now the real question that I'm asking here, this is quite fundamental, is

whether you follow this policy, that you've got that kind of cooperation.

Do you want to talk about that?

Yes, I think we're looking at areas in this group of about 20 states, and most of the heavy gun production areas, I guess, except down on the West Coast.

They're part of your organization, aren't they?

They're not.

Not yet.

The psychology that you're talking about...

It is important, and it's on the organizational strategy that we now have, plus what is on the drawing board for continuing this consolidation movement, that we can be spread of this psychology as far as the very primers are concerned.

We have this authority as far as the classical debates are concerned.

You can be honest.

The other thing that's going on in the non-grade A segment of this dairy industry is that we have standards that are being imposed on these dairy farmers at the farm where they're not going to be able to produce milk at the barnyard under a change rate.

So they're going to have to make a decision, many of these single cow, 15 cow operations.

whether they're going to be adherent or not on these standards are opposed.

And many of them are going to get out.

They're going to say, my age is such that every day until I'm 56.

I said, you're just going to get out of that.

I mean, it's just like a real capsule.

You ask a question.

Can we have the organization put base plans in?

The big challenge here is, if you challenge us, you say, yes, we're into this idea of the price.

At the same time, you take us over to production, but the goal is to talk to us and say, well, too, the answer is unqualified.

Yes, we're here anyway.

immediately, with the cooperation of the administration, we were able to get a plan from the Canadian border to the Gulf of Mexico and out to the middle part of the 200-plus desalination so that we got the capability to do it.

I just demonstrated to the Vice President that I already did it.

Well, you couldn't say that our ability to do this in six states plus the states that he just referred to.

And you may wonder, well, how do you tell farmers on this idea?

Number one, because it works, it's in their best interest.

Number two, this space immediately becomes worth money to them.

The base that they hold.

They increase their capital worth.

So there's a little bit of a struggle there.

He's created value by government orders.

Well, that's, uh, it's a, it's a, uh, not that we, we, well, you guys say that, but of course we've had, you know, in these states we're talking about now without government orders, but in regulated areas where the government, uh, has, uh, we have federal orders.

And, uh, that's it.

I think that we represent a

Mr. President, I'd like to make a point, I think, as I mentioned here, in regards to the relationship between the 50s and the very offensive administration.

kind of situation then as compared to today.

At that time, there was quite a potential of milk in the country that wasn't being marketed.

And that potential is almost nil today.

So that the price structure will not act the same as the collection as it did at that time because there was a non-market of milk, a trading market, where that price

situation at that time.

And the cow numbers today are the lowest in almost a century.

And if you want to move that production up, you take the cows, and if you want to avoid that, you go back to the two-year-old business that you have now.

That's right.

They replaced it.

I'll tell you about this.

Going into the dairy business,

How big of an operation is it?

It's a hike out of the wagon.

That's right.

But as much as a lot of these dairy farmers talk about that, what about that?

It's a very expensive business to get into in Washington.

In other words, if somebody's got a treasury, you've got people in the business.

The question is, what can they do to advise you?

What about somebody going into the business?

What does it cost?

Is it a payday?

$100,000?

It's more than $100,000.

It's not a business that can be expensable, particularly by new people coming in.

There's no longer exists.

One more point that I would like to bring out

In practice, what you said is the very beginning of who came to the room, and that is the philosophy of living in our rural communities.

Basically, Mr. President, I'm from Iowa, and as you drive along the road, you see farmstead after farmstead empty, all these different areas, these changing times, and the emphasis on the farmstead has been to the urban areas.

We want to, not through subsidies or anything else, but investing with our own self-help to preserve this way of life out there because this is really where the, as you said, the rock-ribbed heritage, the religious heritage, is there.

And I live in that country, and I love it, and I wouldn't want to live anywhere else.

But we want to preserve it.

And we need his help to preserve it.

This is very, very important for this time.

I want to preserve this.

I don't think that's important.

I think that's important.

It's a lot more important spiritually.

I think you're spiritually in the broadest sense.

In numbers, you know that.

Cities are all around people, places they are not.

But I think that you show me in that way that this is a rural heartland, which sometimes inevitably, it almost always falls and loses its character.

And I think that's exactly what you need.

I mean, this is solid.

Well, the new run here basically is now in the center.

Not an evil coaster.

A coaster, though, in a sense.

Because the center's empty now.

Now we have to find ways not only to see that, we have all the parks out there.

Ways that we can have.

Well, that's what I think.

That's very good.

Well, I appreciate this chance to talk to you, and I always try to distinguish true content and give it a little mental.

Today, we're going to hear you in the classroom.

I have some presidential compliments.

I'm going to move over here and introduce you to the presidential seal.

It doesn't have any president's name on it, so you can wear it wherever you are.

And this, since your wives will wonder where you really were today.

You can, it's a little bow that she can wear, and she likes them.

The first time she's seen them.

They're rather nice and old.

I think the main point about them is they look more expensive than they are.

You know the old story is that your children are trying to remember the school, and the kings and emperors only give gifts of gold.

Well, these are not gold, but only presidents can give them.

Thank you very much.

Mr. President, one thing you didn't respond to was your statement that you said you'd try to make it, and I'm sure you're here today with me, and you want to attend our next meeting.

We're looking forward to your being there, and we'll tell you now, we'll have 35 hours.

We're going to cut production.

Secretary, do you want me to have both of you speak to them?

Thank you.