{"conversationCode":"052-004","tapeNumber":52,"conversationNumber":4,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-052-004","startDateTime":"1971-04-08T17:17:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-04-08T21:30:00.000Z","startDate":"8-Apr-1971","startTime":"12:17 PM","endDate":"8-Apr-1971","endTime":"4:30 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Rogers, William P.; Peterson, Peter G.; [Unknown person(s)];","description":"On April 8, 1971, William P. Rogers, Peter G. Peterson, and unknown person(s) met in the Cabinet Room of the White House at an unknown time between 12:17 pm and 4:30 pm. 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It has been rereviewed and\nreleased 04/25/2019.]\n[Unintelligible]\n[052-004-w002]\n[Duration: 50s]\n\n     General conversation\n\n     White House\n\n******************************************************************************\n\nAn unknown man entered at an unknown time after 12:17 pm\n\n     Emil (“Bus”) Mosbacher, Jr. and Prime Minister Sir Keith J. Holyoake of New Zealand\n          -Arrival\n\nThe unknown man and an unknown person left at an unknown time before 4:23 pm\n\n     Cabinet\n          -Reorganization\n\n     Unknown man's conversation with Clifford M. Hardin\n         -Holyoake's meeting with a farmer group\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n[Previous archivists categorized this section as unintelligible. It has been rereviewed and\nreleased 04/25/2019.]\n[Unintelligible]\n[052-004-w003]\n[Duration: 35s]\n\n     General conversation\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n     Need for White House “guard” group\n          -Egalitarian thing\n\n     Alexander M. Haig’s [?] comment\n          -Press\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n[Previous archivists categorized this section as unintelligible. It has been rereviewed and\nreleased 04/25/2019.]\n[Unintelligible]\n\n[052-004-w004]\n[Duration: 3m 20s]\n\n     Backbone of country\n\n     Clifford M. Hardin\n\n     US-New Zealand relations\n         -Special relationship\n         -Issues\n         -Complications\n\n******************************************************************************\n\nHenry A. Kissinger and unknown people entered at an unknown time after 12:17 pm\n\n     Introductions\n\n     Alexander M. Haig, Jr.\n\n     Visit to Australia and New Zealand\n           -Dates\n           -Timing\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n[Previous archivists categorized this section as unintelligible. It has been rereviewed and\nreleased 04/25/2019.]\n[Unintelligible]\n[052-004-w005]\n[Duration: 1m 30s]\n\n     Henry A. Kissinger\n\n     William P. Rogers\n\n     Prime Minister Sir Keith J. Holyoake\n\n     Tax division\n\n     Singapore\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n     President's 1969 trip to Asia\n           -Reception\n           -Lt. General T. N. J. Suharto\n\n     US-Taiwan, People's Republic of China [PRC] relations\n         -Issue\n         -Rogers\n\nAn unknown man entered at an unknown time after 12:17 pm\n\n     Schedule\n\n     Wash room\n\nThe unknown man left at an unknown time before 4:30 pm\n\n     National Security Council [NSC] meeting\n          -Richard M. Helms\n\n     Furniture in room\n          -William P. Rogers, Melvin R. Laird\n          -John N. Mitchell\n          -John B. Connally\n\n     Health of General Lon Nol [?]\n\n     Generation gap\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n[Previous National Security (B) withdrawal reviewed under MDR guidelines case number\nLPRN-T-MDR-2014-013. Segment declassified on 12/22/2017. Archivist: DR]\n[National Security]\n[052-004-w001]\n[Duration: 2m 49s]\n\n     Australia and New Zealand\n          -Singapore\n\n               -Australian and New Zealand interests\n         -Sir Keith J. Holyoake\n         -People's Republic of China [PRC]\n\n    Military space and housing requirements\n          -Singapore\n          -Costs\n          -British occupation\n\n    Australian-New Zealand Army Corps [ANZAC]\n         -William P. Rogers's letter\n               -Marshall Green\n               -William P. Rogers’s forthcoming trip to London\n               -Winthrop G. Brown\n               -William H. Sullivan\n         -Event organization\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n    Vietnam\n         -Troop strength\n         -President's speech\n               -Text\n         -Withdrawal date\n         -Incentives\n         -Prisoners of War [POWs]\n         -Troop strength\n         -Negotiations\n         -Supplies\n         -Withdrawal\n         -Residual forces\n\n    Korea\n         -Compared to Vietnam\n         -Security\n         -Demilitarized Zone [DMZ]\n         -Confidence\n         -US troops\n\n    Vietnam\n         -Withdrawal dates\n         -Strategy\n\n          -President's position\n          -Reaction to President's speech\n                -Networks\n                -Lieutenant William L. Calley, Jr.\n                      -Support\n\n     Cherry Blossom Festival\n          -Unknown man's conversation with unknown student\n\n     Demonstrations\n\n     State Department party\n\n     Generation gap\n         -Capitol Hill\n\n     Vietnam\n          -Student feelings\n          -William P. Rogers's luncheon address in Philadelphia\n                -Students' questions\n          -Editors' reaction\n          -Access to North Vietnam\n          -Demonstrators\n          -College students\n          -Protest groups\n          -Soldiers\n          -Draft\n          -Middle Americans\n\n     Townhouse development in Montgomery County\n         -Unknown developer\n         -Potomac\n         -Real estate values\n\n     J. P. Morgan and Otto H. Kahn\n\nRogers, Peterson, and the unknown people left at an unknown time before 4:30 pm","filename":["052-004-splice.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Rogers, William P.","Peterson, Peter G.","[Unknown person(s)]"],"prevCode":"052-003","nextCode":"052-005","tapeTranscriptFile":"052a.mp3,052b.mp3,052c.mp3,052d.mp3","transcript":[{"start":16514.36,"end":16514.86,"text":"Diolch yn fawr."},{"start":16526.25,"end":16528.99,"text":"Diolch yn fawr."},{"start":16529.33,"end":16531.65,"text":"Diolch yn fawr."},{"start":16548.12,"end":16548.9,"text":"This is the treasury."}],"transcriptBoundary":{"start":16498,"end":16548,"startMethod":"llm-alignment","endMethod":"llm-alignment"},"transcriptConfidence":"high","transcriptSource":"bigtape","originalFilename":["052a.mp3","052b.mp3","052c.mp3","052d.mp3"],"spliceSource":{"spliceType":"bigtape","sourceFiles":["052c.mp3"],"cutStart":16496.5,"cutEnd":16549.5,"adjustedStart":16496.5,"adjustedEnd":16549.5,"boundaryMethod":"llm-alignment","confidence":"high","splicedAt":"2026-09-18T14:10:15.903Z"},"aiSummary":{"text":"Secretary of State William P. 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