{"conversationCode":"059-003","tapeNumber":59,"conversationNumber":3,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-059-003","startDateTime":"1971-06-04T19:35:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-06-04T20:44:00.000Z","startDate":"4-Jun-1971","startTime":"3:35 PM","endDate":"4-Jun-1971","endTime":"4:44 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board; Anderson, George W. (Adm.); Rockefeller, Nelson A.; Baker, William O. (Dr.); Gray, Gordon; Land, Edwin H. (Dr.); Lincoln, Franklin B., Jr.; Murphy, Franklin D. (Dr.); Pace, Frank, Jr.; Kissinger, Henry A.; Schlesinger, James R. (Dr.);","description":"On June 4, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and members of the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, including Adm. George W. Anderson, Nelson A. Rockefeller, Dr. William O. Baker, Gordon Gray, Dr. Edwin H. Land, Franklin B. Lincoln, Jr., Dr. Franklin D. Murphy, Frank Pace, Jr., Henry A. 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Schlesinger\n\n[Recording begins while the conversation is in progress]\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n[This segment was declassified on 02/28/2002.]\n[National Security]\n[059-003-w001]\n[Duration: 14m 44s]\n\n     US relations with People’s Republic of China [PRC]\n          -US relations with Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]\n                -US strategy\n                     -Reasons for relaxation of tensions\n                     -US power\n                     -The President’s capability\n          -US relations with Taiwan\n          -Future planning\n                -Arms agreement\n                -US interests\n                      -Stability in the Pacific\n                -Taiwan\n          -Need for intelligence\n                -Communication between great powers\n          -Changes in foreign policy\n                -Peace after Vietnam\n                      -US position\n                      -Other areas of concern\n                            -Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]\n                            -Europe\n                            -People’s Republic of China [PRC]\n                            -Middle East\n          -Need for intelligence\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n******************************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n[National Security (B) withdrawal reviewed under MDR guidelines case number LPRN-T-MDR-\n\n2014-013. Segment exempt per Executive Order 13526, 3.3(b)(1) on 04/18/2019. Archivist: MM]\n[National Security]\n[059-003-w001]\n[Duration: 8m 40s]\n\n     PEOPLE’S REPUBLIC OF CHINA\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n     US intelligence program\n          -Research development time\n                -President's leadership\n\n     General conversation\n\n******************************************************************************\n\nThe President, et al. left at 4:44 pm","filename":["059-003-splice.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board","Anderson, George W. (Adm.)","Rockefeller, Nelson A.","Baker, William O. (Dr.)","Gray, Gordon","Land, Edwin H. (Dr.)","Lincoln, Franklin B., Jr.","Murphy, Franklin D. (Dr.)","Pace, Frank, Jr.","Kissinger, Henry A.","Schlesinger, James R. 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ddau."},{"start":6570.61,"end":6572.67,"text":"Felly dyna beth rydym yn ei wneud."},{"start":6574.12,"end":6576.16,"text":"ac nid rydyn ni'n mynd o'r ardal arall."},{"start":6576.3,"end":6593.63,"text":"Rydyn ni'n ei wneud oherwydd mae'r Deyrnas Unedig fel pwyllgor arbennig wedi gorfod edrych ar y sbecter o 800 miliard o Chineiddiaid 20 mlynedd yn ôl gyda weithgareddau niferoedd, yn ei isoleu o'r rest o'r byd, yn ei isoleu o'r Cymru, o'r Japan sy'n eistedd yno, a'r rest."},{"start":6593.75,"end":6595.43,"text":"Nid ydym yn gallu gwneud hynny."},{"start":6595.47,"end":6596.81,"text":"Nid ydym yn gallu gwneud hynny."},{"start":6597.01,"end":6598.41,"text":"Dyna pam rydyn ni'n symud."},{"start":6599.55,"end":6600.75,"text":"Rydw i'n gallu gwneud hyn."},{"start":6600.81,"end":6601.93,"text":"Dyma un peth rydw i fel"},{"start":6603.45,"end":6604.65,"text":"Mae'n rhaid i fi wneud hynny."},{"start":6604.73,"end":6608.01,"text":"Dydw i ddim wedi gallu gwneud hynny heb gael cymaint o gyllid."},{"start":6608.59,"end":6609.87,"text":"Ond rydyn ni'n symud eto yng Nghymru."},{"start":6609.97,"end":6614.77,"text":"Nid oherwydd rydyn ni'n naïf am beth mae'r dynion Cymraeg eisiau."},{"start":6614.79,"end":6617.43,"text":"Maen nhw eisiau Cymraeg, os na'r byd."},{"start":6617.47,"end":6631.39,"text":"Ond oherwydd rydyn ni'n gwybod bod ein penderfyniadau a'u bod nhw'n ei angen, rydyn ni'n adnabod ffordd i fyw a gadael i fyw yn y sefydliad."},{"start":6632.54,"end":6638.77,"text":"Felly rydyn ni'n symud yn ofalus, rydyn ni'n symud i'r neidio â'r hawliau cyfrifol sy'n cael eu cymryd ar y Cymdeithasau Taiwan."},{"start":6638.82,"end":6644.21,"text":"Mae'n ffordd anodd iawn, ond rydyn ni'n gwneud'r pethau hyn yn dda iawn."},{"start":6644.71,"end":6647.31,"text":"Nawr, rydyn ni'n dod i ble mae'n golygu i chi."},{"start":6648.47,"end":6650.99,"text":"Gadewch i ni symud ymlaen."},{"start":6651.01,"end":6651.41,"text":"3, 4, 5 munud."},{"start":6652.59,"end":6668,"text":"Gadewch i ni ystyried ein bod ni'n cael ymgysylltiad amdanynt, efallai'n gyfranogol, efallai'n mynd i gyfranogol, felly gadewch i ni ystyried ein bod ni'n cael ymgysylltiad gyda'r Cynulliad Cymru yn mynd i'r UD."},{"start":6668.06,"end":6681.8,"text":"Hefyd, gadewch i ni ddweud, dwi'n gwybod, y ffaith yw, yna, ynghylch Cynulliad Cymru, ac mae hyn yn bwysig, rydych chi'n gwybod, lleoedd sydd yn broblem enfawr, ynghylch Cynulliad Cymru yna, ac rydych chi'n gwybod, y Cynulliad, rydych chi'n gwybod, rydych chi'n"},{"start":6683.03,"end":6689.03,"text":"Mae hyn yn cynnwys problem o ddiddordeb enfawr i ni."},{"start":6689.19,"end":6693.27,"text":"Nid yw'n golygu ei fod yn ddiddordeb, ond cwmpa arall."},{"start":6694.03,"end":6696.24,"text":"Felly, byddaf yn dweud hyn,"},{"start":6697.94,"end":6709.51,"text":"Mae'r angen ar gyfer dealltwriaeth ar gyfer cyfweliad mwyaf ac ar gyfer cyfweliad mwyaf, yn llawer mwyach."},{"start":6709.71,"end":6716.83,"text":"Oherwydd pan fyddwch chi'n gysylltiedig o'r un i'r arall, pan mae llawr yn effeithio, dyna un peth."},{"start":6716.87,"end":6723.57,"text":"Ond pan fyddwch chi'n cael y cyfweliad hwn, cyfweliad rhwng pwerau mawr, lle mae eu penderfyniadau'n wahanol,"},{"start":6724.42,"end":6731.21,"text":"yna gallwch chi ddim yn siŵr eu bod yn mynd i'r afael â phwyllgorau cyhoeddus y gallan nhw gael o ni ac rydyn ni'n gwneud yr un peth â nhw."},{"start":6731.23,"end":6742.31,"text":"Yr hyn rwyf wedi'i benderfynu i unrhyw un o'i gweithwyr yma yw eu bod wedi cyflawni'r cyfnod ar gyfer mwy o haneswyrwyr, Cymdeithasol, Cymdeithasol, Cymdeithasol a Chyngor."},{"start":6742.35,"end":6745.11,"text":"Mae'n rhaid i ni wneud hynny."},{"start":6745.14,"end":6745.94,"text":"Rwy'n dweud rhaid i ni."},{"start":6746.96,"end":6752.26,"text":"yn gwybod nad yw'r pethau hynny'n gallu digwydd, ond yn credu bod rhai ohonyn nhw'n gallu."},{"start":6752.28,"end":6758.97,"text":"Rwyf hefyd yn gwybod, wrth i'r newidiadau hynny ddewis i ni, wrth i ni edrych ar y byd, ac erbyn hyn, byddwn ni i gyd yn gwneud hynny."},{"start":6760.16,"end":6770.07,"text":"Gadewch i ni fod mewn sefyllfa fel nad ydym ni wedi bod yn hynod o ddiddordeb gyda'r un rhan o'r byd, gyda'r broblem anodd hynod o anodd, ac nid yn hynod o ddiddordeb ac anoddol wrth ein bod ni wedi dod yn ôl."},{"start":6770.71,"end":6774.81,"text":"ac rydym ni'n ceisio chwarae'r rôl gwych rydyn ni'n ei angen i chwarae yn y byd."},{"start":6774.83,"end":6778.29,"text":"Mae hynny'n golygu'r cyfnod cymdeithasol a'r arweinyddiaeth."},{"start":6778.33,"end":6787.26,"text":"Yn ystod hyn, wrth i ni adeiladu'r sefydliad o ddiogelwch ar ôl yng Nghymru, mae problemau ar gyfer y Cymru."},{"start":6788.72,"end":6792.74,"text":"Diolch yn fawr."},{"start":7327.83,"end":7328.76,"text":"Nawr, y gwahaniaeth."},{"start":7329.54,"end":7336.56,"text":"Nawr, gallwn ni wneud y gwaith hwn wedi'i wneud yn pum mlynedd, neu gallwn ni ei wneud yn ddwy neu tri cwestiynau neu tri mlynedd."},{"start":7336.58,"end":7338.19,"text":"A'r unig canlyniad sy'n ei gymryd"},{"start":7463.64,"end":7464.5,"text":"Nawr, y gwahaniaeth."},{"start":7465.32,"end":7471.12,"text":"Nawr, gallwn ni wneud y swydd hwn a'i wneud yn pum mlynedd, neu gallai'n cael ei wneud yn ddwy neu tri cwestiwn neu tri mlynedd."},{"start":7471.18,"end":7482.85,"text":"A'r unig canlyniad sy'n cael ei wneud, i'w wneud o'r pum mlynedd i'r tri mlynedd, gyda'r holl gwasanaethau sy'n canolbwyntio, yw'r canlyniad o'ch ddweud y byddech chi am ei wneud."},{"start":7483.51,"end":7489.09,"text":"A'r hyn rydych chi'n ei gael o hynny yw'r hyn maen nhw'n ei alw fel mwy o risg."},{"start":7489.29,"end":7492.11,"text":"Dydw i ddim yn gwybod beth yw'r risg mewn gwirionedd."},{"start":7492.13,"end":7492.43,"text":"Maen nhw'"},{"start":7496.71,"end":7499.99,"text":"Wel, rwy'n mynd i edrych yn anodd."},{"start":7500.37,"end":7500.99,"text":"Diolch yn fawr."},{"start":7501.03,"end":7502.91,"text":"Diolch yn fawr 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