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Bull met with unknown men\n\n     The Cabinet Room\n          -Floor\n               -Quality\n               -Refinishing requirements\n                    -Schedule\n                          -The East Room\n                          -The President’s schedule\n               -The President’s schedule\n                    -Departure on morning of September 25, 1971\n               -Refinishing Schedule\n\nBull and the unknown men left at an unknown time before 9:29 pm","filename":["077-005-splice.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Bull, Stephen B.","[Unknown person(s)]"],"prevCode":"077-003","nextCode":"077-006","tapeTranscriptFile":"077a.mp3,077b.mp3","transcript":[{"start":5671.02,"end":5672.92,"text":"There ain't no other floor over there with bare wood."},{"start":5701.74,"end":5701.97,"text":"Here."},{"start":5702.01,"end":5702.95,"text":"Like this."},{"start":5703.03,"end":5703.39,"text":"See this?"},{"start":5703.41,"end":5704.21,"text":"You can see it off to here."},{"start":5704.25,"end":5705.01,"text":"Something like that."},{"start":5716.61,"end":5717.67,"text":"It's going to take a long day."},{"start":5717.69,"end":5720.31,"text":"We'll say this is what we were checking on."},{"start":5720.33,"end":5722.51,"text":"We know there isn't any security problem."},{"start":5722.53,"end":5726.99,"text":"We're going to find out if the president has scheduled."},{"start":5727.01,"end":5728.11,"text":"What kind of odor will there be?"},{"start":5728.22,"end":5729.44,"text":"A lot of odor."},{"start":5729.52,"end":5730.64,"text":"Okay, just hold up a second."},{"start":5730.66,"end":5731.32,"text":"A lot of odor."},{"start":5731.34,"end":5734.1,"text":"Maybe I'll wait until the weekend."},{"start":5734.12,"end":5734.76,"text":"Yeah, maybe so."},{"start":5734.78,"end":5735.98,"text":"We better find out."},{"start":5736.04,"end":5737.42,"text":"There's got to be a lot of odor."},{"start":5737.48,"end":5738.88,"text":"A lot of noxious odor, 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good."},{"start":5864.77,"end":5865.51,"text":"Yeah, it's all right."},{"start":5865.55,"end":5866.29,"text":"Yeah, it looks good."},{"start":5866.31,"end":5867.35,"text":"It makes you stand out."},{"start":5867.37,"end":5870.05,"text":"Yeah, it makes you stand out and still not enough."},{"start":5870.09,"end":5872.25,"text":"It makes it look like it's actually laid on there."},{"start":5872.29,"end":5873.47,"text":"Yeah, like it's supposed to."},{"start":5873.49,"end":5873.57,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":5893.5,"end":5894.56,"text":"Can it be done?"},{"start":5894.62,"end":5895.4,"text":"Can we sleep?"},{"start":5895.44,"end":5896.18,"text":"Tomorrow?"},{"start":5896.28,"end":5899.81,"text":"We've got a long weekend."},{"start":5899.91,"end":5902.33,"text":"He's here today."},{"start":5902.39,"end":5904.63,"text":"The President's here today."},{"start":5905.07,"end":5905.29,"text":"Right."},{"start":5905.43,"end":5907.07,"text":"I think that's 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