{"conversationCode":"085-004","tapeNumber":85,"conversationNumber":4,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-085-004","startDateTime":"1971-12-03T05:00:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-12-03T15:08:00.000Z","startDate":"3-Dec-1971","startTime":"12:00 AM","endDate":"3-Dec-1971","endTime":"10:08 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"[Unknown person(s)];","description":"On December 3, 1971, unknown person(s) met in the Cabinet Room of the White House at an unknown time between 12:00 am and 10:08 am. The Cabinet Room taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 085-004 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"CAB","recordingDevice":"Cabinet Room","latitudeEstimated":38.8975,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":"Cabinet","chronRelease":"Cabinet Room Release","chronReleaseDate":"16-Oct-1997","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 85-4\n\nDate: Unknown between December 3 and December 6, 1971\nTime: Unknown between 12:00 am, December 3 and 10:08 am, December 6, 1971\nLocation: Cabinet Room\n\nUnknown men [maintenance personnel?] met\n\n******************************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n[Non-historical]\n[Duration: 14m 42s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n\n******************************************************************************\n\nThe unknown men [maintenance personnel?] left at an unknown time before 10:08 am,\nDecember 6, 1971","filename":["085a.mp3","085b.mp3","085c.mp3","085d.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["[Unknown person(s)]"],"prevCode":"085-003","nextCode":"085-006","tapeTranscriptFile":"085a.mp3,085b.mp3,085c.mp3,085d.mp3","transcript":[{"start":10633.63,"end":10634.63,"text":"I'm supposed to be the president."},{"start":10634.65,"end":10639.63,"text":"Is that what you think I'm supposed to be?"},{"start":10639.71,"end":10643.08,"text":"Yes, and I never get to say who I'm supposed to be."},{"start":10643.1,"end":10650.64,"text":"Attorney General, Secretary of Labor, Mr. Kennedy."},{"start":10651.56,"end":10652.3,"text":"I'm the president."},{"start":10652.32,"end":10654.44,"text":"I'm supposed to be the White House candidate."},{"start":10654.7,"end":10657.07,"text":"I'm supposed to be the president."}],"transcriptBoundary":{"start":10633.63,"end":10657.07,"startMethod":"gemini","endMethod":"gemini"},"transcriptConfidence":"high","transcriptSource":"bigtape","originalFilename":["085a.mp3","085b.mp3","085c.mp3","085d.mp3"],"spliceSource":{"spliceType":"bigtape","sourceFiles":["085a.mp3","085b.mp3","085c.mp3","085d.mp3"],"cutStart":10633.63,"cutEnd":10657.07,"adjustedStart":10633.13,"adjustedEnd":10657.57,"boundaryMethod":"gemini","confidence":"high","splicedAt":"2026-03-14T15:58:45.051Z"},"aiSummary":{"text":"Maintenance personnel working in the Cabinet Room were recorded engaging in role-playing exercises, during which they took turns impersonating the President, the Attorney General, the Secretary of Labor, and a White House candidate. This brief interaction serves as a candid, lighthearted example of staff utilizing a secure government space for informal recreation. No substantive policy discussions or political developments occurred during this brief period.","topics":["Role-playing","Cabinet Room","Maintenance personnel","White House staff"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T07:54:01.759Z"},"topicSlugs":["role-playing","cabinet-room","maintenance-personnel","white-house-staff"],"audioDurationSec":null,"audioFiles":[{"file":"085a.mp3","bytes":118411212,"durationSec":7400.7,"bitrate":128000,"missing":false},{"file":"085b.mp3","bytes":116783679,"durationSec":7298.98,"bitrate":128000,"missing":false},{"file":"085c.mp3","bytes":118696678,"durationSec":7418.54,"bitrate":128000,"missing":false},{"file":"085d.mp3","bytes":27286079,"durationSec":1705.38,"bitrate":128000,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":true,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:30.404Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/085a.mp3","https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/085b.mp3","https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/085c.mp3","https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/085d.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/085-004","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/85/conversation-085-004","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}