{"conversationCode":"088-001","tapeNumber":88,"conversationNumber":1,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-088-001","startDateTime":"1972-01-24T15:04:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-01-25T04:59:00.000Z","startDate":"24-Jan-1972","startTime":"10:04 AM","endDate":"24-Jan-1972","endTime":"11:59 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Cohn, Samuel M.; Alger, Mark W.; Benton, Charles E.; Bray, David; Breese, Lawrence; Baldwin, Velma N.; Dame, Philip; Derman, Donald A.; Etheredge, Lynn; Fischer, C. William; Frey, James M.; Hunt, Wilmer; Hurley, John F.; Haase, Walter W.; Laitin, Joseph; Lind, Susanne; Loweth, Hugh F.; Lutz, Theodore C.; Modlin, C. Peter, Jr.; MacDonald, Philip; McOmber, Dale R.; Norwood, Douglas; Rommel, Wilfred H.; Sasaki, Wesley K.; Schleede, Glenn R.; Shiskin, Julius; Stubbing, Richard; Sullivan, Reardon; Taft, Daniel H.; Torrey, Barbara; Tschirigi, James D.; Turen, Milton; Veatch, Ellis H.; Walker, Joyce; Kraus, Charles; Carlucci, Frank C., III; Clarke, Raymond; Kohlberg, William H.; Niskanen, William A.; Taft, William H., IV; Taylor, David P.; Shultz, George P.; Weinberger, Caspar W. (\"Cap\"); Laffer, Arthur B.; Gifford, William L.; Perry, Charles R.; Ink, Dwight A.; Dam, Kenneth W.; Rice, Donald B.; O'Neill, Paul H.;","description":"On January 24, 1972, during the signing of the 1973 Budget Message, President Richard M. Nixon and staff members of the Office of Management and Budget, including Samuel M. Cohn, Mark W. Alger, Charles E. Benton, David Bray, Lawrence Breese, Velma N. Baldwin, Philip Dame, Donald A. Derman, Lynn Etheredge, C. William Fischer, James M. Frey, Wilmer Hunt, John F. Hurley, Walter W. Haase, Joseph Laitin, Susanne Lind, Hugh F. Loweth, Theodore C. Lutz, C. Peter Modlin, Jr., Philip MacDonald, Dale R. McOmber, Douglas Norwood, Wilfred H. Rommel, Wesley K. Sasaki, Glenn R. Schleede, Julius Shiskin, Richard Stubbing, Reardon Sullivan, Daniel H. Taft, Barbara Torrey, James D. Tschirigi, Milton Turen, Ellis H. Veatch, Joyce Walker, Charles Kraus, Frank C. Carlucci, III, and Raymond Clarke; and possibly William H. Kohlberg, William A. Niskanen, William H. Taft, IV, David P. Taylor, George P. Shultz, Caspar W. (\"Cap\") Weinberger, Arthur B. Laffer, William L. Gifford, Charles R. Perry, Dwight A. Ink, Kenneth W. Dam, Donald B. Rice, and Paul H. O'Neill, met in the Cabinet Room of the White House at an unknown time between 10:04 am and 11:59 pm. 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Schleede,\nJulius Shiskin, Richard Stubbing, Reardon Sullivan, Daniel H. Taft, Barbara Torrey, James D.\nTschirigi, Milton Turen, Ellis H. Veatch, Joyce Walker, Charles Kraus, Frank C. Carlucci, and\nRaymond Clarke. The following may also have been present: William H. Kolberg, William A.\nNiskanen, William H. Taft, IV, David P. Taylor, George P. Shultz, Caspar W. (“Cap”)\nWeinberger, Arthur B. Laffer, William L. Gifford, Charles R. Perry, Dwight A. Ink, Kenneth W.\nDam, Donald B. Rice, and Paul H. O’Neill\n\n******************************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n[Non-historical]\n[Duration: 47s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n     Preparation for bill-signing ceremony\n          -Arrangement of spectators\n\n     [General conversation/Unintelligible]\n\nThe President entered at 10:30 am\n\n     Fiscal Year [FY] 1973 budget\n\n     The President’s budgetary policies\n\n     Office of Management and Budget [OMB] staff\n          -Work\n\nThe President left at 10:34 am\n\n     Appreciation of OMB staff\n\n     [General conversation/Unintelligible]\n\n     The President’s schedule\n\nCohn, et al. left at an unknown time before 11:59 pm","filename":["088-001-splice.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. 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