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Conversation 010-070

TapeTape 10StartWednesday, October 6, 1971 at 8:50 AMEndWednesday, October 6, 1971 at 8:52 AMTape start time02:25:11Tape end time02:29:51ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Scott, HughRecording deviceWhite House Telephone
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On October 6, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Hugh Scott talked on the telephone from 8:50 am to 8:52 am. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 010-070 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 10-70

Date: October 6, 1971
Time: 8:50 am - 8:52 am
Location: White House Telephone

The President talked with Hugh Scott.

[See Conversation No. 283-15D]

     Senate
          -Vote
                -Federal pay bill
                -President's schedule
                      -Phase II announcement, October 7, 1971
          -Filibuster possibility
          -Tom C. Korologos
          -Scott's action
                -Wallace F. Bennett

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     Senate
          -Vote
               -Filibuster

     President's schedule
          -Henry A. Kissinger
Transcript (AI-Generated)

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Senator Scott, Mr. President.
Good morning, Mr. President.
Hi, Hugh.
Hugh, I was wondering on this vote today, on this pay thing, that it appears to me that we really can't risk going forward with the...
You know, it's something that we lose, because I'm going to announce the phase two thing this week, you see.
Now, isn't this one you can talk to death?
It seems to me you've got to have enough guys over there that long.
I think we can talk it to death if we need to.
I'll count.
Of course, there'd be risk in making a mistake here, but...
Our county indicates that we have enough votes on straight up and down to beat it.
You think so?
I can make a further judgment.
I have Tom Karalogos on the way up here now.
Good.
Well, you talk to Tom and, of course, use your judgment, but I can tell you that it would be a very, very bad blow if before I go on, say, tomorrow night with Phase 2, if the Senate slaps it down, you see, because it blows the whole thing.
You know, this is a very, I mean, the House acted in...
and it would be uh it would be uh really it would uh would have a terribly shocking effect on on on the labor unions that get out of go run amok everything you see yes so you're aware that i lodged an objection which prevented it coming up oh i i know i know that's why i know i'm going but i and i think you're fighting exactly right but uh i just just heard i just tell you that that because i'm going to go on the phase two thing tomorrow
That's the present plan.
They'll let you know.
They'll confirm it within a couple hours.
I think they'll be able to get the time.
I just feel terribly strongly that we must not have a bad Senate vote before I go.
Oh, I agree.
Because that'll be in the news, you see.
We'll do as careful a count as we can and get a further appraisal on it if it seems risky.
Yeah.
We'll gear ourselves just to talk it to death.
I've already talked to Wally Bennett this morning on that.
Good, good.
He's willing to help.
Great.
Well, if you can handle this, Hugh, I would appreciate it.
I'd appreciate it.
Well, if it looks too hot, we'll turn it into a filibuster.
At least, I'm sitting here talking to Henry.
He told me he was able to get you before the announcement.
That keeps him on their back toes a little, doesn't it?
Yes, sir, it does, and it was a good item.
I went right up to the press gallery two minutes after 10 to cover the news up here.
We'll keep him on their back toes.
Yes, sir, you're doing a wonderful job, if I may say so.
Okay, Hugh.
Thank you.
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