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Haig, Jr. entered at an unknown time after 5:13 pm, July 25, 1972\n\n     [Unintelligible]\n\n     Photographs\n          -Outcome\n          -Arrangements\n          -Photographer\n\n******************************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n[Personal Returnable]\n[Duration: 36m 4s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n\n******************************************************************************\n\nCole, et al. left at an unknown time before 1:50 pm, July 28, 1972","filename":["104a.mp3","104b.mp3","104c.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Cole, Kenneth R., Jr.","Haig, Alexander M., Jr.","[Unknown person(s)]"],"prevCode":"104-011","nextCode":"104-013","tapeTranscriptFile":"104a.mp3,104b.mp3,104c.mp3","transcript":[{"start":12250.64,"end":12255.18,"text":"Well, for all you guys who are here to get your picture taken, I want you to know that the picture doesn't come out."},{"start":12255.36,"end":12259.85,"text":"Are you serious?"},{"start":12259.89,"end":12260.97,"text":"Well, it's hard to get."},{"start":12261.35,"end":12264.87,"text":"I've got seven pictures upstairs, but you are not looking at any walls."},{"start":12264.99,"end":12269.22,"text":"I think we'll have the photographer back again."},{"start":12269.3,"end":12271.4,"text":"Then you can try to swap."},{"start":12271.56,"end":12273.28,"text":"Would you get lost?"}],"transcriptBoundary":{"start":12250.64,"end":12273.28,"startMethod":"gemini","endMethod":"gemini"},"transcriptConfidence":"high","transcriptSource":"bigtape","originalFilename":["104a.mp3","104b.mp3","104c.mp3"],"spliceSource":{"spliceType":"bigtape","sourceFiles":["104a.mp3","104b.mp3","104c.mp3"],"cutStart":12250.64,"cutEnd":12273.28,"adjustedStart":12250.14,"adjustedEnd":12273.28,"boundaryMethod":"gemini","confidence":"high","splicedAt":"2026-03-14T18:32:48.409Z"},"aiSummary":{"text":"Kenneth R. 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