{"conversationCode":"104-013","tapeNumber":104,"conversationNumber":13,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-104-013","startDateTime":"1972-07-25T21:13:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-07-28T17:50:00.000Z","startDate":"25-Jul-1972","startTime":"5:13 PM","endDate":"28-Jul-1972","endTime":"1:50 PM","dateCertainty":"estimated","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"[Unknown person(s)];","description":"Unknown person(s) met in the Cabinet Room of the White House on an unknown date, sometime between 5:13 pm on July 25, 1972 and 1:50 pm on July 28, 1972. The Cabinet Room taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 104-013 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"CAB","recordingDevice":"Cabinet Room","latitudeEstimated":38.8975,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":"Cabinet","chronRelease":"Cabinet Room Release","chronReleaseDate":"16-Oct-1997","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 104-13\n\nDate: Unknown between July 25 and July 28, 1972\nTime: Unknown between 5:13 pm, July 25 and 1:50 pm, July 28, 1972\nLocation: Cabinet Room\n\nUnknown people [custodians?] met\n\n******************************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n[Non-historical]\n[Duration: 1m 33s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n\n******************************************************************************\n\nUnknown people [custodians?] left at an unknown time before 1:50 pm, July 28, 1972","filename":["104-013-splice.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["[Unknown person(s)]"],"prevCode":"104-012","nextCode":"104-014","tapeTranscriptFile":"104a.mp3,104b.mp3,104c.mp3","transcriptBoundary":{"start":12302.78,"end":12335.6,"startMethod":"gemini","endMethod":"gemini"},"transcriptSource":"audio-llm","originalFilename":["104a.mp3","104b.mp3","104c.mp3"],"spliceSource":{"spliceType":"bigtape","sourceFiles":["104a.mp3"],"cutStart":524.5,"cutEnd":620.5,"adjustedStart":524.5,"adjustedEnd":620.5,"boundaryMethod":"llm-alignment","confidence":"medium","splicedAt":"2026-10-27T08:04:58.992Z"},"aiSummary":{"text":"This recording captures a tour of the Cabinet Room, likely for individuals unfamiliar with its layout and seating arrangements. The speaker explains the placement of the President, Vice President, and Cabinet officers based on department seniority and proximity to the President. The tour also briefly touches upon the residential quarters on the second floor.","topics":["Cabinet Room","White House tour","Seating arrangements","Presidential protocol","Department seniority","Vice President","Cabinet officers"],"generatedAt":"2026-10-27T14:56:24.082Z"},"topicSlugs":["cabinet-room","white-house-tours","seating-arrangements","presidential-protocol","department-seniority","vice-president","cabinet-officers"],"audioDurationSec":96,"audioFiles":[{"file":"104-013-splice.mp3","bytes":1536485,"durationSec":96,"bitrate":128040,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-10-27T08:04:58.992Z","transcript":[{"start":524.5,"end":527.5,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"So, this is the Cabinet Room."},{"start":527.5,"end":540.5,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"The president meets in here with the National Security Council and the Domestic Council. And the Vice President, the offices here. To the right and left of those two are the Cabinet officers by the seniority of their department."},{"start":540.5,"end":544.5,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Look across at the portraits."},{"start":544.5,"end":550.5,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Uh, State and Treasury, I think, two of the oldest. So, they're the closest. And down at the other end [unintelligible]"},{"start":550.5,"end":564.5,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Well, they It's alternate. For instance, the Secretary of State is at the President's right. And then the Secretary of Treasury, being the next oldest, is at the Vice President's right."},{"start":564.5,"end":568.5,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"That leaves the President's left."},{"start":568.5,"end":572.5,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"In here, and it looks across at the [unintelligible]"},{"start":572.5,"end":576.5,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Do they live upstairs? Yes, on the second floor is"}],"transcriptCreatedAt":"2026-10-27T14:37:57.937Z","transcriptModel":"google/gemini-3.8-flash","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/104-013-splice.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/104-013","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/104/conversation-104-013","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}