{"conversationCode":"105-003","tapeNumber":105,"conversationNumber":3,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-105-003","startDateTime":"1972-09-08T21:31:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-09-11T14:06:00.000Z","startDate":"8-Sep-1972","startTime":"5:31 PM","endDate":"11-Sep-1972","endTime":"10:06 AM","dateCertainty":"estimated","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"White House tour group;","description":"a White House tour group met in the Cabinet Room of the White House on an unknown date, sometime between 5:31 pm on September 8, 1972 and 10:06 am on September 11, 1972. 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Peterson\n               -Secretaries of Defense, State, Transportation, Health, Education, and Welfare\n                      [HEW]\n\n******************************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n[Non-historical]\n[Duration: 1m 8s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n     Cabinet Room\n          -Chairs\n               -Presentation upon leaving Cabinet\n\nThe tour group left at an unknown time before 10:06 am, September 11, 1972","filename":["105a.mp3","105b.mp3","105c.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["White House tour group"],"prevCode":"105-002","nextCode":"105-005","tapeTranscriptFile":"105a.mp3,105b.mp3,105c.mp3","transcript":[{"start":4309.67,"end":4321.02,"text":"You can just look on the back of the chair so you can see the name of the captain of the office and the date that the officer was sworn in."},{"start":4321.04,"end":4321.84,"text":"This is Peter Pitch."},{"start":4321.92,"end":4323.9,"text":"This is Bob Pitch."},{"start":4323.92,"end":4325.9,"text":"And this is Mr. Rose Felt."},{"start":4326.26,"end":4330.49,"text":"The director of the Constable Council."},{"start":4332.63,"end":4333.21,"text":"He's still Constable."},{"start":4333.62,"end":4335.44,"text":"Is that when he came in?"},{"start":4335.72,"end":4339.2,"text":"That's when he was made a cabinet officer, or sworn in as a cabinet officer."},{"start":4339.28,"end":4339.48,"text":"Uh-huh."},{"start":4341.19,"end":4343.31,"text":"What's the longest term of anybody to come here?"},{"start":4345.13,"end":4346.87,"text":"Uh... Oh, he's just starting to invent something."},{"start":4346.89,"end":4347.03,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":4347.29,"end":4347.61,"text":"Come on."},{"start":4347.63,"end":4350.18,"text":"Let me see, who would be the longest..."},{"start":4357.98,"end":4360.96,"text":"Do they have two or three?"},{"start":4361.1,"end":4373.03,"text":"I guess there was some, well, for how I'm most likely, originally they would have all come in, but there's been quite a few changes."},{"start":4373.09,"end":4373.67,"text":"Uh-huh."},{"start":4373.93,"end":4374.77,"text":"Uh-huh."},{"start":4375.03,"end":4375.31,"text":"Uh-huh."},{"start":4375.33,"end":4375.57,"text":"Uh-huh."},{"start":4455.79,"end":4461.29,"text":"There's not three people sitting here."},{"start":4461.45,"end":4465.05,"text":"No, he's had three jobs."},{"start":4465.11,"end":4465.67,"text":"Ha ha ha."},{"start":4465.73,"end":4466.59,"text":"Ha ha ha."},{"start":4466.65,"end":4467.45,"text":"Ha ha ha."},{"start":4467.51,"end":4471.14,"text":"Ha ha ha."},{"start":4472.02,"end":4472.54,"text":"I think..."},{"start":4472.6,"end":4477.94,"text":"This is really..."},{"start":4480.2,"end":4481.47,"text":"This is exciting, Jack."},{"start":4481.57,"end":4484.75,"text":"I really appreciate you coming out there and getting me."},{"start":4484.83,"end":4485.53,"text":"I'm glad to do it."},{"start":4485.55,"end":4488.21,"text":"I bet you're going to do it."},{"start":4488.63,"end":4491.47,"text":"I'm glad to do it."},{"start":4492.07,"end":4492.53,"text":"It's a..."},{"start":4493.05,"end":4500.42,"text":"It's a..."},{"start":4500.44,"end":4500.88,"text":"It's a..."}],"transcriptBoundary":{"start":4309.67,"end":4500.88,"startMethod":"gemini","endMethod":"gemini"},"transcriptConfidence":"high","transcriptSource":"bigtape","originalFilename":["105a.mp3","105b.mp3","105c.mp3"],"spliceSource":{"spliceType":"bigtape","sourceFiles":["105a.mp3","105b.mp3","105c.mp3"],"cutStart":4309.67,"cutEnd":4500.88,"adjustedStart":4308.92,"adjustedEnd":4501.88,"boundaryMethod":"gemini","confidence":"high","splicedAt":"2026-03-14T18:35:40.871Z"},"aiSummary":{"text":"A White House staffer leads a tour group through the Cabinet Room to explain the significance of the Cabinet chairs and their identifying plaques. 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