{"conversationCode":"113-006","tapeNumber":113,"conversationNumber":6,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-113-006","startDateTime":"1973-01-26T17:09:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-01-26T17:15:00.000Z","startDate":"26-Jan-1973","startTime":"12:09 PM","endDate":"26-Jan-1973","endTime":"12:15 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Weinberger, Caspar W. (\"Cap\"); Ash, Roy L.; Carlucci, Frank C., III; Malek, Frederic V.; Dwight, James S., Jr.; O'Neill, Paul H.; Dam, Kenneth W.; Morrill, William; Cohn, Samuel M.; Ink, Dwight A.; Rommel, Wilfred H.; Kohlberg, William H.; Taylor, David P.; Carlson, Jack W.; Haase, Walter W.; Shiskin, Julius; Crabill, Donald E.; Frey, James M.; Alger, Mark W.; Fischer, C. William; Veatch, Ellis H.; Young, John W.; Laitin, Joseph; Baldwin, Velma N.; Bradley, James; Taft, William H., IV; Yarbrough, Louise L.; Adkins, Roger; Heun, Howard; Hamm, William; Strait, Edward; Rotherham, James; McOmber, Dale R.; Modlin, C. Peter, Jr.; Modlin, C. Peter, Jr.; Clarke, Raymond; Strauss, George; Banks, Virginia; Pro, Florence; Fletcher, Mary; Woltz, Evelyn; Parker, Marilyn; Bethel, Isabelle; White House photographer;","description":"On January 26, 1973, during the signing of the 1974 Budget Message to Congress, President Richard M. Nixon and Caspar (\"Cap\") Weinberger, Roy L. Ash, Frank C. Carlucci, III, Frederic V. Malek, James S. Dwight, Jr., Paul H. O'Neill, Kenneth W. Dam, William Morrill, Samuel M. Cohn, Dwight A. Ink, Wilfred H. Rommel, William H. Kohlberg, David P. Taylor, Jack W. Carlson, Walter W. Haase, Julius Shiskin, Donald E. Crabill, James M. Frey, Mark W. Alger, C. William Fischer, Ellis H. Veatch, John D. Young, Joseph Laitin, Velma N. Baldwin, James Bradley, William H. Taft, IV, Wilmer Hunt, Louise L. Yarbrough, Roger Adkins, Howard Heun, Edward Strait, William Hamm, James Rotherham, John Carey, Dale R. McOmber, C. Peter Modlin, Jr., Raymond Clarke, George Strauss, Virginia Banks, Terry Prevost, Florence Pro, Mary Fletcher, Evelyn Woltz, Marilyn Parker, Isabelle Bethel, White House photographer, and members of the press met in the Cabinet Room of the White House from 12:09 pm to 12:15 pm. 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Baldwin, James\nBradley, William H. Taft, IV, Wilmer Hunt, Louise L. Yarbrough, Roger Adkins, Howard Heun,\nEdward Strait, William Hamm, James Rotherham, John Carey, Dale R. McOmber, C. Peter\nModlin, Jr., Raymond Clarke, George Strauss, Virginia Banks, Terry Prevost, Florence Pro,\nMary Fletcher, Evelyn Woltz, Marilyn Parker, and Isabelle Bethel; the White House\nphotographer was present at the beginning of the meeting\n\n     1974 Budget signing ceremony\n          -Quality of pens\n          -Duke University Library\n                -President’s employment\n          -Distribution of pens\n                -Weinberger\n                      -Work on budget\n                      -Department of Health, Education, and Welfare [HEW]\n                -Cohn\n                -Veatch\n                      -Office of Management and Budget [OMB] personnel\n                      -Length of service\n          -OMB’s role\n\n     [General conversation/Unintelligible]\n\nThe President, et al. left at 12:15 pm","filename":["113-006-splice.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Weinberger, Caspar W. 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the eyes."},{"start":13980.47,"end":13981.55,"text":"Now we've got the eye."},{"start":13983.01,"end":13984.71,"text":"They're all kinds of things."},{"start":13990.26,"end":13990.72,"text":"Those go."},{"start":13990.76,"end":13991.92,"text":"And do I have to keep those?"},{"start":13993.04,"end":13995.69,"text":"And God go to leave them on the floor."},{"start":13995.77,"end":13999.87,"text":"And I will present the canvas appropriately to the city."},{"start":14001.24,"end":14005.44,"text":"The first one, of course, goes to Kat."},{"start":14005.48,"end":14006.14,"text":"There he is."},{"start":14006.2,"end":14010.94,"text":"I used to have been a saver, now I'm going to be a spender."},{"start":14011.08,"end":14015.56,"text":"If we could get rid of that department, we could really balance the budget."},{"start":14015.68,"end":14022.17,"text":"My Republican friend said to the President after the announcement was made, he said, well, I'm pretty surprised."},{"start":14022.2,"end":14026.95,"text":"He said, I thought, of course, we were going to abolish that department if we won."},{"start":14026.97,"end":14029.19,"text":"Okay, you're doing it with your own..."},{"start":14031.41,"end":14045.05,"text":"And we have our, as usual, our famous, I mean, our most devoted career citizen, Mr. Collins."},{"start":14046.47,"end":14047.67,"text":"And let's see, Mr. Beecher."},{"start":14048.15,"end":14050.51,"text":"I announced that right at my speech."},{"start":14051.74,"end":14053,"text":"Thirty-eight years of service."},{"start":14053.9,"end":14054.96,"text":"Thirty years of the way of being."},{"start":14055.04,"end":14055.86,"text":"Thirty-one years."},{"start":14058.17,"end":14061.48,"text":"When did you come with a gun?"},{"start":14061.61,"end":14062.35,"text":"Over 1934."},{"start":14062.5,"end":14062.76,"text":"Over 1934."},{"start":14062.82,"end":14069.64,"text":"That's the year I finished."},{"start":14069.72,"end":14073.58,"text":"That's the year I finished."},{"start":14073.9,"end":14078.67,"text":"Well, we wish we could pay you more, but you don't."},{"start":14078.75,"end":14079.77,"text":"I'm proud."},{"start":14079.97,"end":14081.03,"text":"Maybe next year, huh?"},{"start":14082.21,"end":14084.07,"text":"We've got to put a pay increase for what it will be next year."},{"start":14084.11,"end":14088.96,"text":"We're going to put it first so we can solve all these other problems that might be a little left up there."},{"start":14088.98,"end":14089.74,"text":"But we've got a Senate system."},{"start":14089.8,"end":14097.86,"text":"We are going to be able to get a function of doing all the other things that you probably envision on your building work and so forth."},{"start":14097.88,"end":14109.91,"text":"And it's very interesting not only to talk about what people do in various departments and power they have."},{"start":14112.04,"end":14121.93,"text":"But I would probably suggest that the most powerful people is the governor in this room."},{"start":14122.03,"end":14127.47,"text":"Now that being said, I'm going to say what I want you to do."},{"start":14127.61,"end":14137.86,"text":"When you go home tonight and you see your wife or your husband sitting in the presence of him, you are among the most powerful people."},{"start":14137.9,"end":14138.38,"text":"Thank you very much."},{"start":14149.98,"end":14153.42,"text":"Unless you have some words you want to say."},{"start":14153.46,"end":14156,"text":"We have a souvenir pen for everyone."},{"start":14156.24,"end":14165.85,"text":"I will take a formal tribute to you at a later time, but I feel it very need to come."},{"start":14165.95,"end":14166.32,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":14229.74,"end":14229.92,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":14304.5,"end":14304.73,"text":"Thank 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