{"conversationCode":"124-004","tapeNumber":124,"conversationNumber":4,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-124-004","startDateTime":"1973-05-29T16:05:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-06-05T12:38:00.000Z","startDate":"29-May-1973","startTime":"12:05 PM","endDate":"5-Jun-1973","endTime":"8:38 AM","dateCertainty":"estimated","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"White House tour group;","description":"a White House tour group met in the Cabinet Room of the White House on an unknown date, sometime between 12:05 pm on May 29, 1973 and 8:38 am on June 5, 1973. The Cabinet Room taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 124-004 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"CAB","recordingDevice":"Cabinet Room","latitudeEstimated":38.8975,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":"Cabinet","chronRelease":"Cabinet Room Release","chronReleaseDate":"16-Oct-1997","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 124-4\n\nDate: Unknown between May 29 and June 5, 1973\nTime: Unknown between 12:05 pm, May 29 and 8:38 am, June 5, 1973\nLocation: Cabinet Room\n\nUnknown people [tour group] met\n\n[Recording begins while the conversation is in progress]\n\n     Furniture\n          -Portraits\n                -Dwight D. Eisenhower\n                     -Thomas Keaton [?], artist\n                -Theodore (“Teddy”) Roosevelt\n                -[Thomas] Woodrow Wilson\n                     -Compared with portrait in East Wing corridor\n                     -Sir William Orpen, artist\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n[Previous archivists categorized this section as unintelligible. It has been rereviewed and\nreleased 01/04/2018.]\n[Unintelligible]\n[124-004-w001]\n[Duration: 26s]\n\n     General conversation\n\n******************************************************************************\n\nThe unknown people [tour group] left at an unknown time before 8:38 am, June 5, 1973","filename":["124-004.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["White House tour group"],"prevCode":"124-003","nextCode":"124-005","transcript":[{"start":4.13,"end":18.12,"text":"Thomas Keaton's portrait of President Eisenhower."},{"start":18.68,"end":22.31,"text":"Theodore Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson."},{"start":22.33,"end":27.57,"text":"I think the Wilson portrait is very interesting if you compare it to one"},{"start":32.52,"end":33.19,"text":"This was painted in 1913."},{"start":33.23,"end":37.41,"text":"Wilson first became president, of course, in this portrait."},{"start":37.43,"end":46.13,"text":"He was young and vigorous, and we see the portrait was painted six years later in 1919, when he still was in orbit."},{"start":46.15,"end":47.89,"text":"It was not sent."},{"start":48.13,"end":54.47,"text":"It was painted in Paris when President Wilson was 16 years, he's age 25."},{"start":54.89,"end":55.81,"text":"He's an old man."},{"start":55.83,"end":60.26,"text":"And of course, the reason the portrait was never completed was that it would take"},{"start":61.07,"end":72.3,"text":"self-esteem failure, return to the standard, and campaigned around the country, trying to get along, supporting the lead, and the rest of the struggle."},{"start":72.4,"end":82.3,"text":"That is the incredible comparison."},{"start":88.54,"end":92.09,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"A White House tour group gathered in the Cabinet Room to view and discuss the historical portraits displayed in the space. The group examined paintings of Dwight D. Eisenhower, Theodore Roosevelt, and Woodrow Wilson, focusing specifically on the contrasting depictions of Wilson across different stages of his presidency. The conversation centered on the artistic history and the evolving physical appearance of the former presidents.","topics":["White House","Cabinet Room","Art history","Woodrow Wilson","Dwight D. Eisenhower","Theodore Roosevelt","Presidential portraits"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T08:15:41.445Z"},"topicSlugs":["white-house","cabinet-room","art-history","woodrow-wilson","dwight-d-eisenhower","theodore-roosevelt","presidential-portraits"],"audioDurationSec":100,"audioFiles":[{"file":"124-004.mp3","bytes":3996526,"durationSec":99.78,"bitrate":320427,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:32.998Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/124-004.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/124-004","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/124/conversation-124-004","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}