{"conversationCode":"130-002","tapeNumber":130,"conversationNumber":2,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-130-002","startDateTime":"1972-05-18T21:30:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-05-18T21:34:00.000Z","startDate":"18-May-1972","startTime":"5:30 PM","endDate":"18-May-1972","endTime":"5:34 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\");","description":"On May 18, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman talked on the telephone at Camp David from 5:30 pm to 5:34 pm. 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Kissinger\n                                 -Announcement\n                                 -Background\n                                 -Occupation\n\n     President's visit to George C. Wallace\n           -Departure time\n           -Walter Reed Hospital\n                 -Secret Service agent\n           -Announcement\n                 -Time\n                        -Recipient\n                        -Destinations\n                             -Walter Reed Hospital\n                             -Holy Cross Hospital\n                                   -Secret Service protection","filename":["130-002.mp3"],"tapeStart":"00:01:51","tapeEnd":"00:04:53","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\")"],"prevCode":"130-001","nextCode":"130-003","transcript":[{"start":3.1,"end":3.36,"text":"Hello."},{"start":3.76,"end":4.08,"text":"Hello."},{"start":5.4,"end":7.64,"text":"Well, anything late news you need to know about?"},{"start":7.96,"end":9.54,"text":"No, I don't think there is."},{"start":9.76,"end":13.06,"text":"I talked to Waller and... About Dr. Chase?"},{"start":13.08,"end":13.32,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":13.6,"end":14.5,"text":"Yeah, we're putting him on."},{"start":15.12,"end":15.66,"text":"Is it all right?"},{"start":15.77,"end":18.15,"text":"I mean, is he going to pay, or how do we do it?"},{"start":18.21,"end":20.15,"text":"No, no, we'll just put him on as a staff guy."},{"start":21.66,"end":47.06,"text":"have to pay yeah you don't think there's any problem do you he's been in a very old friend there's a minor problem but i don't think it's worth worrying about it's just you know yeah it's just one more person but we have there's no problem getting hotel rooms i can just say that he's been a friend for many many years and he has done something and that because we have to say anything just say anything yeah fine i might break a tooth and that right"},{"start":48.15,"end":51.29,"text":"That was Henry's only concern was don't say that we're taking a dentist."},{"start":51.63,"end":51.91,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":52.35,"end":53.05,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":53.07,"end":53.69,"text":"Well, how do we dent?"},{"start":53.71,"end":60.94,"text":"How do we say that we're taking him because he's from Russia or... An old friend and... And... Knows... Is from Russia, knows the country and... Yeah."},{"start":61.1,"end":64.86,"text":"And you wanted him to come along as part of your... As part of my party."},{"start":65.1,"end":65.38,"text":"Fine."},{"start":66,"end":66.08,"text":"And..."},{"start":66.14,"end":68.25,"text":"It doesn't cost anything for him to come along."},{"start":68.27,"end":68.69,"text":"That's right."},{"start":68.7,"end":68.98,"text":"That's right."},{"start":69.05,"end":70.07,"text":"And I think that is the case."},{"start":70.09,"end":70.57,"text":"You know, he was..."},{"start":70.63,"end":71.63,"text":"He was born in Russia, wasn't he?"},{"start":71.89,"end":72.11,"text":"Yes."},{"start":72.49,"end":73.01,"text":"Well, that's good."},{"start":73.03,"end":76.57,"text":"He was born in Russia and I wanted him to go along and to sue because..."},{"start":77.36,"end":79.4,"text":"as to, you know, for counsel and so forth."},{"start":79.48,"end":79.66,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":80.02,"end":80.22,"text":"Good."},{"start":80.68,"end":80.88,"text":"Good."},{"start":81.2,"end":81.96,"text":"That's what we're doing."},{"start":82.18,"end":82.36,"text":"Good."},{"start":82.4,"end":82.62,"text":"Good."},{"start":83.04,"end":83.26,"text":"Good."},{"start":83.66,"end":86.58,"text":"And he also is a damn good dentist, which is a pretty good reason anyway."},{"start":86.6,"end":86.74,"text":"Right."},{"start":88.04,"end":101.22,"text":"The second point is that in talking to him about the other thing, my feeling is now that I will follow your plan and to leave here about, you know, 9 o'clock."},{"start":102.42,"end":103.06,"text":"How would that be?"},{"start":104.28,"end":105.98,"text":"Stop at Walter Reed, right?"},{"start":107.64,"end":112.62,"text":"And then ride over there, drive over there, then come back to Walter Regency, the Secret Service, and then go on in."},{"start":113.18,"end":113.38,"text":"Right."},{"start":113.7,"end":114.76,"text":"Does that sound like a good deal?"},{"start":114.92,"end":115.1,"text":"Yep."},{"start":116.76,"end":118.28,"text":"I think that's the way to do it."},{"start":122.94,"end":123.38,"text":"Okay."},{"start":124.04,"end":125.98,"text":"Well, without telling anybody, we'll lay that on."},{"start":126,"end":130.26,"text":"I mean, I don't want to advertise, but I don't think we need to tell anybody, do you?"},{"start":130.28,"end":132.28,"text":"No, not until in the morning."},{"start":133.8,"end":134.4,"text":"Well, who do you tell?"},{"start":134.42,"end":139.72,"text":"Well, we'll have to tell the helicopter guy, and we'll have to set up landing at Walter Reed."},{"start":139.76,"end":139.94,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":139.98,"end":143.66,"text":"Well, just say, well, tell the helicopter guy I'm going to stop to see this fellow."},{"start":144.25,"end":146.06,"text":"We'll stop at Walter Reed to see the Secret Service."},{"start":146.09,"end":146.44,"text":"That's right."},{"start":146.71,"end":147.77,"text":"Secret Service man, right."},{"start":148.33,"end":148.91,"text":"But then..."},{"start":148.93,"end":152.85,"text":"When you get there, you'll decide, gee, all it costs is just to go across the way."},{"start":152.91,"end":153.43,"text":"Here, I'll go over."},{"start":153.49,"end":161.09,"text":"And then... And then... Well, there's Secret Service out there anyway, so we've got no problem in that respect, aren't there?"},{"start":162.35,"end":162.85,"text":"See my point?"},{"start":162.95,"end":163.11,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":164.01,"end":165.58,"text":"Yeah, but we'll have to get your car out there."},{"start":166.44,"end":167.02,"text":"No, no, no, no, no."},{"start":167.1,"end":168.4,"text":"Secret service at Holy Cross."},{"start":168.82,"end":169.22,"text":"Oh, yeah."},{"start":169.7,"end":174.59,"text":"So they can, ours can know ten minutes in advance."},{"start":174.61,"end":176.29,"text":"That's right."},{"start":176.37,"end":178.85,"text":"And they just beat it out there."},{"start":179.21,"end":179.45,"text":"All right."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and H. R. Haldeman coordinated the logistics for adding Dr. William Chase to the official party for the upcoming Soviet Union summit. 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