{"conversationCode":"131-038","tapeNumber":131,"conversationNumber":38,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-131-038","startDateTime":"1972-05-18T15:48:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-05-18T15:50:00.000Z","startDate":"18-May-1972","startTime":"11:48 AM","endDate":"18-May-1972","endTime":"11:50 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Nixon, Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan);","description":"On May 18, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan) Nixon talked on the telephone at Camp David from 11:48 am to 11:50 am. 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(“Pat”) Nixon.\n\n[See also Conversation No. 191-17]\n\n**********************************************************************\n\n[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 11/06/2017.\nSegment cleared for release.]\n[Personal Returnable]\n[131-038-w001]\n\f[Duration: 2m 53s]\n\n     Planned attire and weather for upcoming trip to Soviet Union\n          -Zosimo Monzon\n                -Suit selection\n          -Attire\n                -White tie\n                      -Iran\n                -Black tie\n                -Business suits\n                -Short dresses\n          -Weather\n                -Temperature range\n                -Rain\n          -Attire\n                -Raincoat\n                -Types of suits\n          -Temperature\n                -Moscow\n          -Attire\n                -Types of suits\n          -Weather\n                -Leningrad\n                -Iran\n                -Austria\n                      -Similarity to Washington, D.C.\n                -Warsaw\n\n     Blue Room\n          -Rex Scouten’s report\n          -Response of reception guests\n\n     Camp David\n         -Weather\n         -Swimming\n         -Anatoliy Dobrynin meeting\n              -Upcoming Soviet Union trip schedule\n\n**********************************************************************","filename":["131-038.mp3"],"tapeStart":"02:23:06","tapeEnd":"02:26:00","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. 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(\"Pat\") (Ryan)"],"prevCode":"131-037","nextCode":"131-039","transcript":[{"start":1.07,"end":1.43,"text":"Hello."},{"start":1.83,"end":2.29,"text":"Hi, Dick."},{"start":2.71,"end":4.4,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":4.94,"end":18.67,"text":"I wondered if you see Munson around just telling that, I think I've already indicated this, but that except for the white tie and the accessories that I'll pick the suits myself tomorrow when I come back, the suits I want to pick."},{"start":18.75,"end":19.15,"text":"White tie?"},{"start":19.83,"end":21.17,"text":"Do we have a white tie then?"},{"start":21.33,"end":22.49,"text":"Oh, in Iran."},{"start":22.57,"end":24.32,"text":"Yeah, Iran, yeah, yeah, yeah."},{"start":24.41,"end":25.12,"text":"I mean, I didn't..."},{"start":25.4,"end":27.62,"text":"But the other things are not black ties."},{"start":27.66,"end":28.3,"text":"There's no black..."},{"start":28.38,"end":30.44,"text":"There's nothing else formal except Iran."},{"start":30.46,"end":34.24,"text":"Everything else is a business suit for me and short dresses for the women."},{"start":34.42,"end":34.62,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":35.4,"end":36,"text":"So that's that."},{"start":36.2,"end":36.58,"text":"Okay."},{"start":36.64,"end":40.87,"text":"Now, incidentally, on the weather, as I understand, is it what, around 50 to 60 degrees?"},{"start":41.85,"end":45.85,"text":"Well, it says that it ranges anywhere from 40 on up."},{"start":46.05,"end":46.23,"text":"Okay."},{"start":47.2,"end":71.55,"text":"you have to take some kind and it's supposed to be raining almost every place i mean the chance of rain so i think that really uh just a raincoat would be enough but what about suits winter summer suits well i've been looking at these darn things they say uh maximum for example in moscow is"},{"start":72.48,"end":74.97,"text":"65 to 70 and the minimum 47 to 52."},{"start":75.05,"end":80.55,"text":"Well, it's more comfortable to have the lightweight suits anyway."},{"start":80.57,"end":81.17,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":81.21,"end":81.77,"text":"For working."},{"start":81.83,"end":83.15,"text":"I'm going to take lightweight."},{"start":83.19,"end":83.91,"text":"Maximum is 44 to 47."},{"start":83.95,"end":84.59,"text":"Yeah, it's colder there."},{"start":84.65,"end":85.01,"text":"And 32 to 37 minimum."},{"start":85.03,"end":85.89,"text":"It'll be real cold there."},{"start":85.93,"end":86.22,"text":"All right."},{"start":101.06,"end":102.68,"text":"And then, of course, Iran is hot."},{"start":103.18,"end":103.4,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":103.88,"end":107.54,"text":"And Austria is like Washington in April."},{"start":107.56,"end":108.96,"text":"Mm-hmm."},{"start":108.98,"end":112.59,"text":"And Warsaw is, it says rain everywhere."},{"start":113.27,"end":114.47,"text":"Rain, yeah."},{"start":114.49,"end":116.99,"text":"65 to 70 maximum, 40, 60, 51 otherwise."},{"start":117.01,"end":117.29,"text":"Mm-hmm."},{"start":117.31,"end":118.79,"text":"Fine, fine."},{"start":119.41,"end":119.77,"text":"Okay?"},{"start":119.79,"end":119.87,"text":"Okay."},{"start":120.85,"end":122.53,"text":"How's everybody like the Blue Room?"},{"start":123.59,"end":126.09,"text":"Well, I think they'd like it."},{"start":126.55,"end":129.49,"text":"Rex told me the visitors coming through are crazy about it."},{"start":129.94,"end":130.2,"text":"Oh, yeah."},{"start":130.26,"end":131.86,"text":"And all the people that night loved it."},{"start":132.2,"end":133.28,"text":"Yeah, well, that's what I hear."},{"start":133.4,"end":134.14,"text":"That's what I hear."},{"start":134.76,"end":135.08,"text":"Good."},{"start":135.78,"end":136.74,"text":"I know it's great."},{"start":139.86,"end":140.52,"text":"Oh, no."},{"start":140.8,"end":141.18,"text":"All right."},{"start":141.22,"end":143.38,"text":"How's it up there?"},{"start":143.44,"end":145.19,"text":"Today, foggy."},{"start":146.51,"end":154.03,"text":"And I went in swimming yesterday, though, and I'm going to go in swimming again today just to get my last little off before we take off."},{"start":155.21,"end":159.31,"text":"DeBrennan came up to say goodbye, and I had breakfast with him, so I had"},{"start":160.31,"end":161.73,"text":"An hour with him, he's in good shape."},{"start":161.79,"end":163.9,"text":"Everything's on the track."},{"start":165.26,"end":168.14,"text":"On the track, so it's definitely on at this point."},{"start":169.16,"end":170,"text":"Okie doke."},{"start":170.2,"end":170.78,"text":"Alright, fine."},{"start":170.81,"end":171.19,"text":"Thanks."},{"start":173.15,"end":175.47,"text":"Incidentally, I forgot, incidentally, the"}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Richard Nixon and First Lady Pat Nixon discussed logistical preparations for their upcoming international trip, specifically coordinating their wardrobe selections based on varying regional weather forecasts. 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