{"conversationCode":"133-018","tapeNumber":133,"conversationNumber":18,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-133-018","startDateTime":"1972-06-08T20:25:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-06-08T20:26:00.000Z","startDate":"8-Jun-1972","startTime":"4:25 PM","endDate":"8-Jun-1972","endTime":"4:26 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\");","description":"On June 8, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman talked on the telephone at Camp David from 4:25 pm to 4:26 pm. The Camp David Study Table taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 133-018 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"CDST","recordingDevice":"Camp David Study Table","latitudeEstimated":39.648333,"longitudeEstimated":-77.465,"chronCode":3,"chronRelease":"Third Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"28-Feb-2002","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 133-18\n\nDate: June 8, 1972\nTime: 4:25-4:26 pm\nLocation: Camp David Study Table (telephone)\n\nH. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman talked with the President.\n\n[See Conversation No. 193-25]\n\n     Speech draft\n          -Henry A. Kissinger's review\n               -Tone\n               -Style\n                     -George S. McGovern\n               -Discussion of foreign policy\n                     -Impact\n                     -Charles W. Colson\n                          -Rotary speech\n\n     Haldeman forthcoming meeting with the President","filename":["133-018.mp3"],"tapeStart":"03:03:24","tapeEnd":"03:04:34","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\")"],"prevCode":"133-017","nextCode":"133-019","transcript":[{"start":0.19,"end":25.26,"text":"yeah mr haldeman for you yeah go ahead sir hello yes sir yeah uh henry's gone over the speech and uh he it's interesting i didn't give him your reaction at all i just said you wanted to get a feel of what he thought of it and he said it's it's too peacenicky and too euphoric yeah and he said it's not nixon at all yeah i know that he his whole strength is that he's been tough and peaceful where this sounds like mcgovern"},{"start":26,"end":26.82,"text":"Yeah, yeah."},{"start":27.02,"end":34.98,"text":"And his view is that, in the first place, you shouldn't talk about foreign policy at all for a while, that you don't need it."},{"start":35.24,"end":44.77,"text":"You'll detract from both Moscow and your congressional speeches, and that you're in a position of supremacy now, and you shouldn't put it to a test because the best you can do is come out even."},{"start":47.27,"end":48.53,"text":"Well, I sort of had that feeling."},{"start":48.61,"end":51.6,"text":"I've been sitting here working on the damn thing, Bob, and, you know,"},{"start":52.79,"end":56.38,"text":"Well, let's toss in some other negatives."},{"start":56.44,"end":65.85,"text":"I was talking to Chuck again, and he said, God, I hope he isn't going to go down to Houston and do the rotary."},{"start":66.23,"end":67.64,"text":"Come on over and let's talk about it over here."},{"start":67.66,"end":67.86,"text":"Okay."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and H. R. Haldeman discuss Henry Kissinger’s critical assessment of a pending presidential speech, which Kissinger characterizes as overly euphoric and reminiscent of George McGovern’s tone. Haldeman relays Kissinger’s advice to avoid foreign policy rhetoric to maintain a position of supremacy, a sentiment with which Nixon concurs. The conversation concludes with a brief mention of Charles Colson’s concerns regarding an upcoming appearance at a Rotary event in Houston and an agreement to meet in person to finalize their approach.","topics":["Speechwriting","Foreign Policy","Henry Kissinger","George McGovern","Public Relations","Charles Colson"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T08:27:48.880Z"},"topicSlugs":["speechwriting","foreign-policy","henry-kissinger","george-mcgovern","public-relations","charles-colson"],"audioDurationSec":70,"audioFiles":[{"file":"133-018.mp3","bytes":2815807,"durationSec":70.25,"bitrate":320674,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:32.999Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/133-018.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/133-018","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/133/conversation-133-018","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}