{"conversationCode":"137-005","tapeNumber":137,"conversationNumber":5,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-137-005","startDateTime":"1972-08-11T23:33:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-08-11T23:42:00.000Z","startDate":"11-Aug-1972","startTime":"7:33 PM","endDate":"11-Aug-1972","endTime":"7:42 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\");","description":"On August 11, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman talked on the telephone at Camp David from 7:33 pm to 7:42 pm. 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Ramsey Clark\n          -Mitchell\n                 -FBI\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n[Personal returnable]\n[Duration: 3m 20s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n\n*****************************************************************\n\n     Stock market\n          -Performance\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2\n[Personal returnable]\n[Duration: 4m 4s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2\n\n*****************************************************************","filename":["137-005.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\")"],"prevCode":"137-004","nextCode":"137-006","transcript":[{"start":0.37,"end":1.61,"text":"Hello."},{"start":1.63,"end":1.91,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":2.73,"end":3.81,"text":"You were at dinner, huh?"},{"start":3.83,"end":5.11,"text":"No, just haven't started yet."},{"start":5.45,"end":6.21,"text":"Oh, really?"},{"start":7.08,"end":8.12,"text":"It's a little late."},{"start":8.14,"end":9.24,"text":"Just about to eat."},{"start":9.26,"end":9.44,"text":"Right."},{"start":11.22,"end":12.04,"text":"Did you have anything?"},{"start":12.68,"end":14.98,"text":"I understand Roger's got a very good play."},{"start":15.22,"end":20.31,"text":"Yeah, and he hit the... Hit everything, yeah, except the FBI thing, which of course..."},{"start":20.33,"end":21.25,"text":"He didn't do the FBI."},{"start":21.27,"end":23.77,"text":"Now we're going to follow up and try and get Mitchell to do the FBI."},{"start":23.87,"end":26.27,"text":"Not let McGregor do it, if he wants to."},{"start":26.63,"end":29.27,"text":"Yeah, but I think Mitchell's better."},{"start":29.79,"end":32.55,"text":"Mitchell's by far the best, but you know, if you want."},{"start":32.65,"end":34.68,"text":"And if we can do that, I think we're much better off."},{"start":35.02,"end":36.42,"text":"Yeah, he is the one that ought to hit it."},{"start":36.44,"end":37.28,"text":"If we can't, we'll do the other."},{"start":37.4,"end":39.92,"text":"And then the congressman did hit today."},{"start":40.8,"end":41.21,"text":"Well, they did."},{"start":41.49,"end":49.84,"text":"And they're going to, I don't, I was just checking the wires here and I haven't seen anything, but we don't have the stuff on the afternoon stuff."},{"start":49.86,"end":51.7,"text":"They got hit over and over again before they got anything."},{"start":51.8,"end":54.52,"text":"That's good, but the Rodgers thing, it was good that it got such a good play."},{"start":54.58,"end":55.48,"text":"Well, it got, yeah."},{"start":56.01,"end":78.67,"text":"and it's that i think is yeah you know darn good and he he he hit the shriver thing he did a good job on the driver pieces and he did a good job on on ripping ramsey clark hard which sort of lays the groundwork now it makes it easier for mitchell to do one as a follow-up on it right he can tie the fbi in right and then the congressman well it's rather jump on that"},{"start":89.05,"end":108.14,"text":"we got uh you know if you saw the market thing but for some reason it shot up 11 points today it did really that's it 964 or something now just yeah it's been it's been even for a week it was bound to go up a bit it's hanging right in around the 950 but now it's bounced up"}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and H. R. Haldeman discuss media strategy and public relations efforts regarding the administration’s political opposition. They evaluate recent statements by William P. Rogers, particularly his criticisms of Sargent Shriver and Ramsey Clark, while planning to have John Mitchell address the FBI-related issues to achieve greater impact than an alternative spokesperson. Additionally, the pair briefly reviews the positive performance of the stock market, which saw a significant point increase that day.","topics":["Public Relations","FBI","John Mitchell","William P. 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