{"conversationCode":"137-018","tapeNumber":137,"conversationNumber":18,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-137-018","startDateTime":"1972-08-13T14:19:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-08-13T14:22:00.000Z","startDate":"13-Aug-1972","startTime":"10:19 AM","endDate":"13-Aug-1972","endTime":"10:22 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haig, Alexander M., Jr.;","description":"On August 13, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Alexander M. Haig, Jr. talked on the telephone at Camp David from 10:19 am to 10:22 am. 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Vance, W[illiam] Averell Harriman\n                -Peace offer claim\n                     -Television coverage of Administration response\n                          -Henry Cabot Lodge\n          -W. Ramsey Clark\n                -John N. Mitchell\n          -Strategy for public statements\n                -Haig’s view\n                     -Kissinger’s forthcoming announcement\n                -The President’s view\n                     -Platform hearings\n                     -Expectations","filename":["137-018.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Haig, Alexander M., Jr."],"prevCode":"137-017","nextCode":"137-019","transcript":[{"start":0.77,"end":1.17,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":2.12,"end":2.56,"text":"Good morning, sir."},{"start":2.7,"end":3.08,"text":"Hi."},{"start":3.68,"end":4.92,"text":"Is Henry on his way?"},{"start":5.18,"end":5.66,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":5.68,"end":7.42,"text":"He took off about 9.15."},{"start":7.62,"end":8,"text":"Fine."},{"start":9.08,"end":11.51,"text":"And then let's see, what would his plans be?"},{"start":11.53,"end":12.97,"text":"He'll be there tomorrow."},{"start":13.31,"end":17.3,"text":"He'll be there tomorrow, and then tomorrow evening to Switzerland."},{"start":18.26,"end":21.56,"text":"The following day on to Saigon."},{"start":21.62,"end":30.01,"text":"When will he announce his going to... We'll announce the... Monday morning we'll announce the meeting in Paris."},{"start":30.17,"end":30.39,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":30.88,"end":34.96,"text":"And then Tuesday we'll announce the Saigon-Tokyo leg."},{"start":35.4,"end":35.6,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":36.98,"end":41.83,"text":"Now he will go, Al, to Saigon and then to Tokyo?"},{"start":42.27,"end":42.69,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":43.53,"end":46.39,"text":"And he should be back here Saturday afternoon."},{"start":46.41,"end":47.35,"text":"Good."},{"start":47.37,"end":47.73,"text":"That's good."},{"start":47.76,"end":48.52,"text":"He'll be gone a week."},{"start":48.63,"end":49.66,"text":"That'll create a little interest."},{"start":49.98,"end":52.46,"text":"Oh, I think this is going to stir the pot something awful."},{"start":52.86,"end":53,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":53.6,"end":54.06,"text":"That's good."},{"start":54.34,"end":56.36,"text":"And we've got three days, two days left."},{"start":56.93,"end":81.34,"text":"you know I was certainly pleased to have been pleased with the way Rogers and Laird have been kicking them a little you know haven't they've been doing well don't you think I think the secretary did a superb job the other night the other morning that was great yeah yeah well the whole point is that uh it was totally right I thought that was a pretty uh I mean that Vance and Harriman saying well that's true uh they didn't they didn't really back"},{"start":81.86,"end":83.68,"text":"They didn't back this guy on the key point."},{"start":83.9,"end":87.97,"text":"The key point was whether or not he had told us of any damn offer, you know what I mean?"},{"start":88.39,"end":90.56,"text":"That's exactly right, sir."},{"start":90.64,"end":93.17,"text":"Hell, everybody was squealing around about whether this or that."},{"start":93.5,"end":97.89,"text":"But Vance and Harriman, I think, are just up to their usual partisan tricks, don't you think?"},{"start":98.19,"end":102.75,"text":"They are, and I think we got out the one-two punch last night."},{"start":102.8,"end":103.46,"text":"It was carried."},{"start":103.6,"end":104.9,"text":"It was carried in the television?"},{"start":105.16,"end":105.52,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":106.14,"end":106.74,"text":"Good."},{"start":106.76,"end":109.75,"text":"It had both Lodge and... Did Lodge come on?"},{"start":109.98,"end":110.59,"text":"Yes."},{"start":110.83,"end":112.77,"text":"I heard it on the very late news last night."},{"start":112.87,"end":113.67,"text":"And what did he say?"},{"start":114.57,"end":116.13,"text":"He said this was totally untrue."},{"start":116.61,"end":118.92,"text":"Good, good, good."},{"start":118.94,"end":120.04,"text":"And that's great."},{"start":121.78,"end":123.1,"text":"Well, anyway..."},{"start":123.3,"end":126.19,"text":"And Mitchell gave him a little whack for Ramsey Clark."},{"start":127.13,"end":127.63,"text":"Oh, boy."},{"start":127.93,"end":128.13,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":128.19,"end":129.06,"text":"That guy."},{"start":129.07,"end":129.62,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":129.64,"end":130.32,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":130.34,"end":130.84,"text":"Well, okay."},{"start":130.9,"end":133.91,"text":"We'll just say nothing here."},{"start":133.95,"end":135.81,"text":"And you've got the PR panel."},{"start":136.09,"end":163.79,"text":"yes sir and i think it's best uh on vietnam now they may come back with a few more licks but we ought to be quiet after tuesday after we get henry's announcement out then we should be mum about everything that's right not say a week they're having their platform hearings and the rest we just don't say nothing anything all week particularly don't build up any expectations no no we're just his driveway is enough for that there's nothing's going to happen and uh just going to come back and that's that yes sir"},{"start":164.98,"end":165.85,"text":"Okay, I'll thank you."},{"start":166.02,"end":166.6,"text":"Bye, Mr. President."},{"start":167.05,"end":167.13,"text":"Bye."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Alexander Haig coordinate the logistics of Henry Kissinger's upcoming diplomatic itinerary, which includes stops in Paris, Saigon, and Tokyo. The conversation also addresses the administration's public relations strategy regarding recent partisan claims about Vietnam peace offers, specifically praising the counter-narratives provided by William Rogers, Melvin Laird, and Henry Cabot Lodge. 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