{"conversationCode":"140-038","tapeNumber":140,"conversationNumber":38,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-140-038","startDateTime":"1972-08-19T15:42:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-08-19T15:49:00.000Z","startDate":"19-Aug-1972","startTime":"11:42 AM","endDate":"19-Aug-1972","endTime":"11:49 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Nixon, Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan);","description":"On August 19, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan) Nixon talked on the telephone at Camp David from 11:42 am to 11:49 am. The Camp David Study Table taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 140-038 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"CDST","recordingDevice":"Camp David Study Table","latitudeEstimated":39.648333,"longitudeEstimated":-77.465,"chronCode":4,"chronRelease":"Fourth Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"10-Dec-2003","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 140-38\n\nDate: August 19, 1972\nTime: 11:42 am - 11:49 am\nLocation: Camp David Study Table\n\nThe President talked with Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon.\n\n[See Conversation No. 205-5; one item has been withdrawn]\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n[Personal returnable]\n[Duration: 5m 11s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n\n*****************************************************************\n\n     Republican National Convention\n         -Protection\n               -The President's family\n                     -George C. Wallace\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2\n[Personal returnable]\n[Duration: 31s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2\n\n*****************************************************************\n\n     Robert H. Abplanalp's plane's itinerary\n         -Possible use of an Air Force Base [Homestead?]\n\n                -[Dwight] David Eisenhower, II\n                -The President’s order\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3\n[Personal returnable]\n[Duration: 40s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3\n\n*****************************************************************","filename":["140-038.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Nixon, Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan)"],"prevCode":"140-037","nextCode":"140-039","transcript":[{"start":10.04,"end":14.1,"text":"Of course, even getting to the airport, apparently these guys are going to be out for blood."},{"start":16.65,"end":19.89,"text":"You know, we'll arrange for that."},{"start":20.25,"end":23.5,"text":"I'm going to send, or I can order the protection any time."},{"start":24.11,"end":25.56,"text":"And I'm going to, while I'm there."},{"start":26.28,"end":27.24,"text":"I'm going to order protection."},{"start":27.3,"end":30.44,"text":"I'll order for Wallace, even now."},{"start":40.01,"end":41.87,"text":"I wonder if he can get into that base."},{"start":41.89,"end":43.39,"text":"I guess he can if he has David."},{"start":43.77,"end":44.94,"text":"Oh, sure."},{"start":46.06,"end":46.32,"text":"Sure."},{"start":47,"end":48.3,"text":"Sure."},{"start":48.32,"end":49.04,"text":"And I'll order it."},{"start":49.38,"end":49.8,"text":"Don't worry."},{"start":49.83,"end":51.13,"text":"I can order it getting in there."},{"start":53.07,"end":53.63,"text":"Okay."},{"start":54.37,"end":55.11,"text":"That's what we'll do."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and First Lady Pat Nixon discussed security concerns regarding the upcoming Republican National Convention and the safety of the President's family. The President addressed potential logistical challenges and security threats, specifically pledging to secure protection for George C. Wallace. Additionally, they touched upon travel arrangements involving Robert H. Abplanalp’s plane and the use of military base facilities.","topics":["Republican National Convention","Presidential security","George C. Wallace","Logistics","Air Force facilities"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T08:41:45.310Z"},"topicSlugs":["republican-national-convention","presidential-security","george-c-wallace","logistics","air-force-facilities"],"audioDurationSec":67,"audioFiles":[{"file":"140-038.mp3","bytes":1609350,"durationSec":66.99,"bitrate":192199,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:32.999Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:42:54.132Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/140-038.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/140-038","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/140/conversation-140-038","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}