{"conversationCode":"140-040","tapeNumber":140,"conversationNumber":40,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-140-040","startDateTime":"1972-08-19T16:02:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-08-19T16:05:00.000Z","startDate":"19-Aug-1972","startTime":"12:02 PM","endDate":"19-Aug-1972","endTime":"12:05 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\");","description":"On August 19, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman talked on the telephone at Camp David from 12:02 pm to 12:05 pm. The Camp David Study Table taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 140-040 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"CDST","recordingDevice":"Camp David Study Table","latitudeEstimated":39.648333,"longitudeEstimated":-77.465,"chronCode":4,"chronRelease":"Fourth Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"10-Dec-2003","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 140-40\n\nDate: August 19, 1972\nTime: 12:02 pm - 12:05 pm\nLocation: Camp David Study Table\n\nThe President talked with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.\n\n[See Conversation No. 205-8]\n\n     The President’s forthcoming acceptance speech\n          -Education\n               -Busing\n               -The President's ideas\n                     -Reform\n                     -Platform ideas\n                          -National Education Association [NEA]\n               -Domestic Council\n               -Patrick J. Buchanan","filename":["140-040.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\")"],"prevCode":"140-039","nextCode":"140-041","transcript":[{"start":2.02,"end":7.29,"text":"Because I can't get at it myself on that education thing, and I don't want it too long."},{"start":7.39,"end":11.29,"text":"I want a little flip on the blessing thing, but I don't want it all."},{"start":11.31,"end":23.55,"text":"I want to be sure that somebody gets at it and puts in some of my strong ideas about reform of education, you know what I mean?"},{"start":24.29,"end":29.34,"text":"I know that the usual crap will be in the platform, you know, but kissing the ass of the NEA and all that."},{"start":30.48,"end":31.34,"text":"But I mean, I want to"},{"start":31.79,"end":35.75,"text":"I want to say that what we need is not just this mine building."},{"start":35.77,"end":39.18,"text":"What we need is a whole re-examination of education."},{"start":39.2,"end":40.56,"text":"I'll just kick them a little."},{"start":40.58,"end":46.97,"text":"And I'll put in some personal things about teachers and so forth."},{"start":46.99,"end":52.87,"text":"I just wanted to be sure that thought was that somebody would get that in and put in a couple of pages."},{"start":53.01,"end":54.91,"text":"You probably can't get it out of the domestic council."},{"start":54.94,"end":59.5,"text":"You might try to help you can and just throw something in as well as the domestic council."},{"start":59.68,"end":60.04,"text":"Okay."},{"start":60.52,"end":60.98,"text":"Yep."},{"start":61,"end":61.32,"text":"All right."},{"start":61.34,"end":61.44,"text":"Fine."},{"start":61.88,"end":62.67,"text":"All right."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon consulted with H. R. Haldeman regarding the incorporation of his personal views on education reform into his forthcoming acceptance speech. Expressing frustration with standard platform rhetoric and the influence of the National Education Association, Nixon instructed Haldeman to bypass the Domestic Council if necessary to ensure his specific ideas and critiques were integrated. He emphasized a need to re-examine the education system while including supportive remarks about individual teachers.","topics":["Education Reform","Acceptance Speech","National Education Association","Domestic Council","Busing","Political Platform"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T08:41:56.739Z"},"topicSlugs":["education-reform","acceptance-speech","national-education-association","domestic-council","busing","political-platform"],"audioDurationSec":67,"audioFiles":[{"file":"140-040.mp3","bytes":1603081,"durationSec":66.72,"bitrate":192215,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:33.323Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:42:54.133Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/140-040.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/140-040","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/140/conversation-140-040","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}