Nixon White House Tapes — Conversation 153-009
Date: Tuesday, November 14, 1972 at 11:36 AM
Participants: Nixon, Richard M. (President); Jackson, Henry M. ("Scoop")
Recording device: Camp David Study Table
Source: https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/153-009

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[0:00] Hello.
[0:01] Senator Jackson, Mr. President.
[0:04] Yes.
[0:04] Uh, Mr. President, this is Scoop Jackson.
[0:06] Yes, your voice is loud and clear.
[0:08] I hope you're having a good trip.
[0:10] Thank you very much.
[0:12] It's an interesting trip I'm going on from here to, uh...
[0:15] to Persia and to Saudi Arabia.
[0:18] Good.
[0:19] Naturally, you would know to extend my warmest regards to the Prime Minister here and to our friends there, and also particularly to the Shah.
[0:28] You should have a good talk with him.
[0:30] He's our great friend.
[0:32] I have dinner with the Prime Minister here in about an hour.
[0:37] Oh, good.
[0:38] And I will see the Shah, as I understand it, day after tomorrow.
[0:43] Good.
[0:43] And I will convey to both of them your best wishes.
[0:47] Yeah, and to the Saudi tour.
[0:50] Sir.
[0:50] Right, right.
[0:51] King Faisal is out of the country.
[0:54] Well, he's not well anyway, so it's the, what is it, the Secretary of Defense?
[0:58] Yes, sir.
[0:59] Well, whoever the person is, I'll be too.
[1:12] Yes, sir.
[1:14] Mr. President, I tried to reach you the day after election when I left for Europe.
[1:21] I wanted to congratulate you and to say that anything that I could do to be of help on a follow-up on the matters we discussed, I'd be glad to do so.
[1:33] And I'll be back, unfortunately, not until Sunday night, December 3rd.
[1:40] December the 3rd.
[1:41] But I will be available if there's anything I can be of help to you on, and I do want to assist in any way that will be useful and helpful to you.
[1:54] Well, you certainly can be most helpful.
[1:57] Let me tell you that on the one project that we discussed, ACTA, if anybody feels more strongly about it than you do, it's me.
[2:05] So I can assure you that I've
[2:10] I'm working on it in every possible way.
[2:14] Part of the problem, Scoop, with some of these things like ACT is, as you know, the Congress, in its wisdom, set the damn things up.
[2:24] But I find, on the other hand, I have no obligation to appoint people.
[2:28] You know what I mean?
[2:29] Or to staff it.
[2:29] Isn't that your point?
[2:31] Yes, right, right.
[2:35] The changes down underneath are essential to whoever you have at the top.
[2:43] Exactly.
[2:43] The head of it.
[2:45] Exactly.
[2:45] One person, you know, in some category that you might want to think about is Senator Gordon Allitt.
[2:52] Yes, yes.
[2:53] He's very loyal to you.
[2:55] Right.
[2:56] And I just have not had a chance to talk to Gordon.
[3:01] And it's just a thought.
[3:04] where he might fit in in something.
[3:07] Right.
[3:07] Let me ask you, you gave us the name—I have that in mind, too—but you gave us the name of this fellow in Europe.
[3:15] Yes, sir, that individual that— Yes.
[3:18] Yes, the general.
[3:19] The general.
[3:21] In Europe, you also mentioned the fellow that was a good linguist, was the head of one of the agencies.
[3:29] Right, right.
[3:30] At present time.
[3:32] Right, right, right, right.
[3:34] They ought to be looked at.
[3:36] Would you do this so that I can have it?
[3:39] Just wire me those two names again on that point.
[3:43] And also, now, as far as the names of people down on the woodwork, I know one who came that you mentioned, and I have him marked.
[3:51] But is this the— Henry knows about the general.
[3:59] Yeah.
[3:59] And, of course, General Hague is, you know, very high on him.
[4:02] I know, yeah.
[4:03] But I mean also the people that ought to be out.
[4:09] I need that list from you.
[4:11] Yes.
[4:13] Well, I'll see that that's put in your hands.
[4:17] Henry has a copy of it.
[4:20] All right.
[4:21] Well, I'll dig it out of his office then.
[4:23] Fine.
[4:24] He has a list.
[4:25] Right.
[4:26] Right.
[4:27] Good.
[4:27] All right.
[4:28] If he's got it, that's all I need.
[4:29] That's all I need.
[4:30] You don't have to bother.
[4:32] It might be better that way.
[4:33] No, no.
[4:33] I got it.
[4:35] We've already talked about it.
[4:36] And if he's got everything you have, Scoop, I'll get it from him.
[4:39] It's fine.
[4:41] And I'll be reachable on this trip any place along the line that I can be of any help.
[4:46] It's a very important trip.
[4:48] When you get back, I'd like to see you after December 3rd, right?
[4:52] Yes, sir.
[4:52] I'll be in on Monday the 4th.
[4:54] Great.
[4:54] I'll be here, and I'll, let's see, I'm not taking off on any vacation.
[4:58] I went to Florida for three days, and then I'm at Camp David now.
[5:01] We're doing a lot of reorganization.
[5:03] It's going to be quite exciting.
[5:05] Well, we'll need your support on it.
[5:09] Well, it's good to talk to you.
[5:11] Thank you, Mr. President.
[5:12] I'll convey those messages.
[5:14] Thank you.
[5:15] Thank you very much.