{"conversationCode":"153-013","tapeNumber":153,"conversationNumber":13,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-153-013","startDateTime":"1972-11-14T18:10:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-11-14T18:15:00.000Z","startDate":"14-Nov-1972","startTime":"1:10 PM","endDate":"14-Nov-1972","endTime":"1:15 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Cox, Tricia Nixon;","description":"On November 14, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Tricia Nixon Cox talked on the telephone at Camp David from 1:10 pm to 1:15 pm. 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F. Cox’s visit to the Supreme Court\n            -Warren E. Burger\n            -Earlier visit with the President\n            -Burger\n                  -Case\n                         -Interest\n                  -Tea\n                         -Elvera Burger\n                  -1972 election returns\n                         -William P. Rogers\n            -Rogers\n                  -Election returns\n\n******************************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n[Personal Returnable]\n[153-013-w001]\n[Duration: 41s]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n      White House renovation\n           -Solarium\n                 -Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon\n                 -Julie Nixon Eisenhower\n                 -Decoration\n                 -West Hall\n                 -Color scheme\n\n      Camp David\n\f                                              -16-\n\n                  NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                        Conversation No. 153-13 (cont’d)\n\n            -Weather\n\n       The President’s workload\n            -Press coverage\n\n       George S. McGovern\n            -Complaints\n                  -George C. Wallace voters\n                  -Election loss\n            -Characterized\n            -Edward Cox\n            -Communist\n\n       Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo\n            -Birthday party\n\n******************************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2\n[Personal Returnable]\n[153-013-w002]\n[Duration: 21s]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n******************************************************************************","filename":["153-013.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Cox, Tricia Nixon"],"prevCode":"153-012","nextCode":"153-014","transcript":[{"start":3.96,"end":5.89,"text":"Oh, thanks."},{"start":6.43,"end":6.87,"text":"Daddy?"},{"start":6.89,"end":7.61,"text":"Hi, Trish."},{"start":7.77,"end":8.65,"text":"Hi, Fawn."},{"start":8.67,"end":9.87,"text":"How are you doing getting along?"},{"start":10.09,"end":11.05,"text":"We're getting along fine."},{"start":11.07,"end":15.94,"text":"We went to the Supreme Court, and Berger had us back to his chambers afterwards."},{"start":15.96,"end":17.24,"text":"Is that your first visit?"},{"start":17.38,"end":19.93,"text":"No, it's our second visit."},{"start":19.95,"end":21.79,"text":"And then we liked it so much we went back today."},{"start":21.93,"end":23.17,"text":"Our first was with you."},{"start":23.34,"end":25.4,"text":"Remember when you presented your case?"},{"start":25.42,"end":26.16,"text":"But he wasn't there."},{"start":26.34,"end":27.34,"text":"Betty wasn't there."},{"start":27.36,"end":28.22,"text":"No, that's right."},{"start":28.24,"end":29.5,"text":"No, it's our first visit together."},{"start":29.52,"end":30.19,"text":"It's his first visit."},{"start":30.21,"end":30.89,"text":"Berger saw you there."},{"start":31.15,"end":33.01,"text":"Yeah, and then he passed us two cute notes."},{"start":33.11,"end":35.23,"text":"And yesterday he said, I'm sorry, this is so boring."},{"start":36.14,"end":37.24,"text":"This case is so boring."},{"start":37.26,"end":39.02,"text":"And then he invited us to come back for tea."},{"start":39.72,"end":40.42,"text":"Isn't that nice?"},{"start":40.62,"end":41.8,"text":"And Mrs. Berger dropped by."},{"start":42.43,"end":44.35,"text":"And we had a nice chat for about half an hour."},{"start":44.39,"end":44.77,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":45,"end":47.29,"text":"Isn't that nice?"},{"start":47.31,"end":51.71,"text":"And he said he was at Bill Rogers' house for the election return."},{"start":51.73,"end":51.85,"text":"Right."},{"start":51.87,"end":52.89,"text":"And stayed until about 11.30."},{"start":52.91,"end":55.56,"text":"And he said he was so happy."},{"start":56.6,"end":57.82,"text":"You know, he's just really glad."},{"start":58.3,"end":58.82,"text":"Of course."},{"start":59.58,"end":70.64,"text":"Isn't that nice?"},{"start":70.66,"end":70.76,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":70.78,"end":70.9,"text":"Right."},{"start":70.92,"end":74.84,"text":"You know, one thing that you and me and Julie ought to talk about is"},{"start":75.95,"end":88.45,"text":"I don't want to get too much into it, but I really think it's important that we take that third floor room and make it into a really, you know, warm, pleasant— What kind of a room do you envision it to be?"},{"start":88.47,"end":88.81,"text":"A family room."},{"start":88.84,"end":89.4,"text":"Well, a room— A family room."},{"start":89.76,"end":97.89,"text":"That's right, where we can go up and, you know, sit around and, I mean, maybe the bar thing should be kept, I mean, obviously."},{"start":98.12,"end":102.57,"text":"leave it with that, but set it up so that it looks nicer, you know."},{"start":102.61,"end":108.74,"text":"It's ugly the way it's done now, with a proper little bar locked in the back there."},{"start":109.02,"end":113.81,"text":"But then with the furniture more comfortable and decorated more colorfully."},{"start":113.89,"end":115.57,"text":"I'd like to see it decorated colorfully."},{"start":115.81,"end":118.52,"text":"Why don't you talk to Mommy and Julie about it, okay?"},{"start":118.54,"end":119.3,"text":"Okay."},{"start":119.4,"end":122.66,"text":"And is there a place to watch TV and get away from it all?"},{"start":122.82,"end":123.84,"text":"It's a hell of a good project."},{"start":123.86,"end":124.2,"text":"That's right."},{"start":124.22,"end":126.11,"text":"And you see, there are times when"},{"start":126.86,"end":138.96,"text":"People would want to be using the West Hall or the Yellow, or anybody may want to go up and be away, or where you have guests who may want to be, but the room should be made into a pleasant room."},{"start":138.98,"end":141.08,"text":"It's rather barren in my view."},{"start":141.1,"end":141.93,"text":"It's a horrible room."},{"start":141.97,"end":142.19,"text":"Right."},{"start":142.55,"end":146.55,"text":"But, you know, just get a damn good decorator in and have them fix it up with bright colors."},{"start":147.45,"end":148.09,"text":"That's what I'd like."},{"start":148.11,"end":149.07,"text":"What's your favorite color?"},{"start":150,"end":150.98,"text":"What would you like at the beach?"},{"start":151,"end":151.56,"text":"It's really bright."},{"start":151.82,"end":152.54,"text":"I like anything."},{"start":152.68,"end":155.28,"text":"I like blues and reds and yellows and, you know,"},{"start":156.56,"end":157.99,"text":"But they'll know how."},{"start":158.26,"end":159.31,"text":"That sounds pretty."},{"start":159.33,"end":160.99,"text":"That sounds like a nice color scheme already."},{"start":161.53,"end":162.93,"text":"Okay."},{"start":162.95,"end":163.43,"text":"Well, anyway."},{"start":163.45,"end":164.61,"text":"How's everything at Camp David?"},{"start":164.63,"end":164.87,"text":"It's fine."},{"start":164.89,"end":167.48,"text":"We're working on, it's winter here now."},{"start":167.52,"end":168.38,"text":"All the leaves are gone."},{"start":168.4,"end":168.56,"text":"Right."},{"start":168.58,"end":169.2,"text":"It's foggy."},{"start":170.34,"end":171.02,"text":"Well, I like it."},{"start":171.1,"end":171.56,"text":"I like it."},{"start":171.66,"end":175.99,"text":"I've been working inside all of it because I've got a tremendous amount of work I can do."},{"start":176.01,"end":176.15,"text":"I know."},{"start":176.17,"end":176.43,"text":"I know."},{"start":176.45,"end":177.35,"text":"But it's come along fine."},{"start":177.45,"end":179.11,"text":"No, everything sounds good in the paper, but."},{"start":179.49,"end":179.87,"text":"Right."},{"start":180.34,"end":181.5,"text":"Anyway, that's..."},{"start":181.6,"end":181.94,"text":"I see."},{"start":181.96,"end":182.46,"text":"I see."},{"start":182.48,"end":185.11,"text":"McGovern complained that all of his votes went to us."},{"start":185.13,"end":185.91,"text":"Isn't that too bad?"},{"start":185.93,"end":186.77,"text":"He complained about that."},{"start":186.79,"end":188.31,"text":"Then he said, oh, I didn't really lose."},{"start":188.33,"end":189.03,"text":"The country lost."},{"start":189.05,"end":190.78,"text":"He's really pathetic."},{"start":190.8,"end":192.14,"text":"He's really had it, you know?"},{"start":193.08,"end":194.7,"text":"As Ed said, he's just a true believer."},{"start":194.76,"end":195.12,"text":"That's right."},{"start":195.14,"end":195.42,"text":"He is."},{"start":195.44,"end":196.62,"text":"He's a communist, basically."},{"start":196.76,"end":199.79,"text":"Well, he's not quite that, but he's worse."},{"start":199.81,"end":200.27,"text":"Ed thinks he is."},{"start":200.35,"end":201.49,"text":"He's worse, in a sense."},{"start":202.49,"end":204.18,"text":"He's a total ideologue."},{"start":204.2,"end":204.56,"text":"Yeah, exactly."},{"start":204.58,"end":205.06,"text":"A fanatic."},{"start":205.82,"end":208.5,"text":"And he's not as smart as a communist."},{"start":208.7,"end":209.18,"text":"Well, anyway..."},{"start":209.69,"end":211.09,"text":"You have a good time now."},{"start":211.55,"end":214.81,"text":"Okay, now we're planning Beanie's birthday on Friday or not?"},{"start":214.83,"end":215.45,"text":"Yeah, he's going to be here."},{"start":215.47,"end":216.05,"text":"He's going to come up."},{"start":216.55,"end":216.96,"text":"What?"},{"start":216.97,"end":217.96,"text":"He's going to come up for that."},{"start":218.02,"end":218.92,"text":"He's going to come up for that."},{"start":229.09,"end":229.89,"text":"That sounds good."},{"start":230.19,"end":230.53,"text":"All right."},{"start":230.55,"end":230.67,"text":"Great."},{"start":230.73,"end":231.59,"text":"Bye, Daddy."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and his daughter, Tricia Nixon Cox, discussed recent personal social visits, including the Coxes' trip to the Supreme Court to meet Chief Justice Warren E. Burger. The President also requested that Tricia coordinate with Pat Nixon and Julie Nixon Eisenhower to oversee the renovation and redecoration of the White House third-floor solarium into a more comfortable family room. Additionally, the conversation touched upon the President's current workload at Camp David and included disparaging remarks regarding the political character of George McGovern following the 1972 election.","topics":["White House renovation","Supreme Court","Warren E. 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