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Conversation 153-050

TapeTape 153StartFriday, November 17, 1972 at 8:33 PMEndFriday, November 17, 1972 at 8:35 PMParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Recording deviceCamp David Study Table
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On November 17, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman talked on the telephone at Camp David from 8:33 pm to 8:35 pm. The Camp David Study Table taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 153-050 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 153-50

Date: November 17, 1972
Time: 8:33 pm - 8:35 pm
Location: Camp David Study Table

The President talked with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.

[See Conversation No. 226-17]

       Second term reorganization
            -William P. Rogers’s tenure as Secretary of State
                  -Haldeman’s forthcoming conversation with Rogers
                        -Reference to Melvin R. Laird
                              -Job offer
                        -Treasury Department
                              -George P. Shultz
                        -Richard G. Kleindienst
                              -Retention
                        -Elliot L. Richardson
                        -Department of Housing and Urban Development [HUD]
                              -George W. Romney
                                     -Departure
                        -Transportation Department
                              -John A. Volpe
                                     -Departure
                                          -Possible ambassadorship to Italy
                        -James D. Hodgson
                              -Departure
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                                                              Conversation No. 153-50 (cont’d)

                                       -Hodgson’s conversation with Shultz
                          -Commerce Department
                                -Peter G. Peterson
                          -Rogers
                                -Future
             -Press relations
                   -Reaction to the President’s actions
                          -Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon’s concern
                                -Julie Nixon Eisenhower, Tricia Nixon Cox
                          -Washington Post
                          -The President’s recent interview with Garnett D. (“Jack”) Horner
                          -Tone
             -Haldeman’s forthcoming conversation with Rogers
Transcript (AI-Generated)

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Bob?
Yes, sir.
I'm sorry to get this Rogers thing, just to make sure we understand.
I want you to be able to go down the list and say, the President has talked to Laird.
Laird wants to leave.
The President offered him a very important position, you know, and Laird said no.
He was happy and so forth.
Then go down and say, as far as Treasury is concerned, Schultz is staying.
As far as Clint East, Clint East is staying, you know, for a reasonable time.
And as far as the Richardson, we have something worked out for him that he's satisfied with.
Hutt, Romney wants to leave.
And I'd say transportation just buff a little.
Volpe has let it known be transit that he wants to leave and probably go to Italy.
As far as Hodgson, he's told Schultz he wants to leave.
And as far as commerce is concerned, Peterson's totally satisfied.
And so, Bill, let's understand, you are the only one that we have any problem with.
Now, let's talk about that.
See what I mean?
I'd be very cold turkey about it so he doesn't get away with this crap that I'm going to be cold and hard with people, right?
Because I told you Pat was concerned about the columns or the rest.
What do you think of that?
Have there been columns of that sort?
I haven't seen any.
She said that Julie and Trisha had raised it with her, too.
I don't know what it is.
Have there been columns of the effect that we've been hard-hearted and cold and drawing everybody out?
I think it's the goddamn Washington Post.
That's all I think.
It could be.
I think generally that what we've done has been rather, if anything, more than average approved.
Or has it been?
Or half-assed?
No.
Maybe 30, 50, 50 or what?
No.
What is the case?
I don't know.
Nobody knows what we've done yet.
But in terms of what I said in the Horner interview and where we're going to go, what is the reaction?
Is it negative?
Is it?
No.
But very positive.
Okay.
That's the point.
Okay.
Right.
You worked it out with Rogers.
Right.
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