{"conversationCode":"155-029","tapeNumber":155,"conversationNumber":29,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-155-029","startDateTime":"1972-11-22T15:52:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-11-22T15:56:00.000Z","startDate":"22-Nov-1972","startTime":"10:52 AM","endDate":"22-Nov-1972","endTime":"10:56 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Woods, Rose Mary;","description":"On November 22, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Rose Mary Woods talked on the telephone at Camp David from 10:52 am to 10:56 am. 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Bobst\n                              -Invitation\n\f                                              -32-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                               Conversation No. 155-29 (cont’d)\n\n                   -Party for Bobst\n                         -The President’s preference\n                         -Location\n                               -Problem with the President’s visit\n                                     -Demonstrations\n                               -Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon visit\n                               -Jews\n\n[End segment reviewed under deed of gift]\n*****************************************************************","filename":["155-029.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Woods, Rose Mary"],"prevCode":"155-028","nextCode":"155-030","transcript":[{"start":1.43,"end":2.19,"text":"Hi, hello."},{"start":2.33,"end":2.67,"text":"Hello."},{"start":3.33,"end":23.89,"text":"I had an idea Rose, I don't know whether it's, which might kill two birds with one stone and you could sort of check with John Mitchell to see if he agrees to, it might be just a thought to let Elmer, for Milt Rose to have Elmer there, you know, at the time I come to terms, only Elmer of all the people because he's the one that brought me down and introduced me to the mall."},{"start":24.13,"end":24.53,"text":"Uh huh."},{"start":24.55,"end":25.07,"text":"What do you think?"},{"start":25.51,"end":27.46,"text":"I think it would be a nice thought, or do you agree?"},{"start":27.96,"end":32.33,"text":"Yeah, I think it would, especially if you're not going to that thing of his on the 16th."},{"start":32.35,"end":33.19,"text":"I'm not going to that."},{"start":33.37,"end":34.21,"text":"You're not?"},{"start":34.49,"end":37.17,"text":"I can't go, because I can't run into a riot down there."},{"start":37.27,"end":39.12,"text":"It'll attract a terrible situation."},{"start":39.88,"end":40.64,"text":"We've checked it out."},{"start":40.76,"end":41.64,"text":"It's very bad."},{"start":42.16,"end":43.68,"text":"It's in the wrong part of town."},{"start":43.7,"end":49.19,"text":"Well, I hope somebody other than one of the little kids tells him, because it's going to absolutely break his heart."},{"start":49.21,"end":51.67,"text":"I know that, but we'll have somebody else go."},{"start":52.02,"end":57.22,"text":"I'll have a young guy, but I cannot go to that."},{"start":57.62,"end":58.45,"text":"But I'll work that out."},{"start":58.75,"end":61.87,"text":"Maybe, I'll tell you, I think maybe they'll have other clients."},{"start":61.91,"end":63.22,"text":"He's going to bring that up."},{"start":63.23,"end":63.48,"text":"Right."},{"start":63.7,"end":64.28,"text":"So I agree."},{"start":64.32,"end":64.98,"text":"We won't do that."},{"start":65.02,"end":66.16,"text":"And I'll work the other thing out."},{"start":66.46,"end":66.86,"text":"I agree."},{"start":67.62,"end":73.21,"text":"Because we can't go there and have his event spoiled by having a bunch of people outside shouting."},{"start":73.83,"end":75.12,"text":"That's what's going to happen."},{"start":75.82,"end":77,"text":"You see, you know where that is."},{"start":77.32,"end":78.72,"text":"It's in the worst part of town."},{"start":79.01,"end":83.05,"text":"And it's going to happen just as sure as hell."},{"start":83.11,"end":84.37,"text":"Maybe Pat could go."},{"start":84.65,"end":87.33,"text":"They might come for her, but not as much."},{"start":87.54,"end":88.02,"text":"Not as much."},{"start":88.28,"end":92.62,"text":"But you see, it's 80% Jewish in the university rows."},{"start":92.7,"end":93.16,"text":"Oh, I know."},{"start":93.28,"end":93.84,"text":"It's a terrible spot."},{"start":93.86,"end":95.24,"text":"It's going to be rough as hell."},{"start":96.19,"end":97.27,"text":"But I'll get Pat."},{"start":97.29,"end":98.09,"text":"I'd try to come."},{"start":98.25,"end":99.09,"text":"I'll get Pat to go."},{"start":100.09,"end":104.52,"text":"But I just thought if you see him before this is told."},{"start":104.53,"end":105.06,"text":"Yeah, don't do it."},{"start":105.28,"end":105.64,"text":"Don't do it."},{"start":105.66,"end":105.86,"text":"Good."},{"start":106.06,"end":106.42,"text":"Okay."},{"start":106.8,"end":106.94,"text":"Okay."},{"start":106.96,"end":107.48,"text":"We'll work it out."},{"start":107.68,"end":107.76,"text":"Bye."},{"start":107.78,"end":108.34,"text":"All right."},{"start":108.36,"end":108.44,"text":"Bye."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and his personal secretary, Rose Mary Woods, discuss the logistical risks surrounding a planned social event for Elmer Bobst at a New York law firm. Fearing disruptive protests due to the event’s location, Nixon decides not to attend, expressing concern that his presence would trigger a demonstration. 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