Nixon White House Tapes — Conversation 157-024
Date: Friday, December 8, 1972 at 12:05 PM
Participants: Shultz, George P.; Camp David Operator; Ehrlichman, John D.
Recording device: Camp David Study Table
Source: https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/157-024

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[0:05] John Ehrlichman, please.
[0:28] There you are.
[0:30] Thank you.
[0:31] John?
[0:31] Hi, George.
[0:32] Yeah.
[0:32] On Arnie Weber, we're pushed for an answer here.
[0:36] No.
[0:37] He won't take it?
[0:37] No.
[0:38] Will he take anything?
[0:40] I doubt it.
[0:41] He might have been interested in ATW, but sensing that somehow he doesn't quite want it there, I think by this time he wouldn't take that.
[0:50] Okay.
[0:52] He would take probably something.
[0:56] I probably could have gotten him to be my deputy, but I don't think it would have been a good idea.
[1:00] I get it.
[1:01] Okay.
[1:01] Thank you.
[1:02] I got a couple of other things for you.
[1:06] I have a memo from Sam Pierce in the Treasury about a Chicago lawyer, a black lawyer named Ming, who was found guilty of fraudulent behavior on his income tax.
[1:23] Apparently he's a brilliant black lawyer.
[1:26] And he's guilty.
[1:29] He had a heart attack.
[1:31] He's had all sorts of mitigating things.
[1:33] And there's a fair amount of pressure for imposing a strong fine but not sending him to jail, I gather.
[1:44] that the president is the one who issues these pardons and at Christmas time there may be some.
[1:50] So I've got a piece of paper on this which I'll leave with you if you're the proper person to look at it.
[1:55] John Dean processes those.
[1:57] Okay.
[1:57] Well, I'll leave that with him.
[1:59] Yeah.
[2:04] Okay.
[2:07] Very fine.
[2:08] What do you want to do with Pierce?
[2:10] Pierce does not want an ambassadorship.
[2:12] He wants to be a circuit court judge.
[2:15] I mentioned that to the president.
[2:17] He said, well, fine.
[2:21] He wants to stay in the department for about eight months or so.
[2:24] He's got a number of things that he's doing that he wants to complete.
[2:27] Okay.
[2:28] And then he'd like to leave and be a judge.
[2:30] Okay.
[2:31] Very good.
[2:33] Thank you.