{"conversationCode":"158-022","tapeNumber":158,"conversationNumber":22,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-158-022","startDateTime":"1972-12-29T22:12:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-12-29T22:15:00.000Z","startDate":"29-Dec-1972","startTime":"5:12 PM","endDate":"29-Dec-1972","endTime":"5:15 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On December 29, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull talked on the telephone at Camp David from 5:12 pm to 5:15 pm. 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Kennedy’s office\n                              -Henry A. Kissinger\n                        -Eisenhower’s funeral\n                        -The President’s schedule\n            -Location\n                  -Eisenhower’s funeral\n                        -Washington National Cathedral\n            -Truman’s funeral\n            -Heads of state\n            -De Gaulle’s funeral\n                  -The President’s attendance\n                  -Reception by Georges J. R. Pompidou\n            -Arrangements\n            -State Department\n\f                                               -29-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM","filename":["158-022.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"158-021","nextCode":"158-023","transcript":[{"start":2.09,"end":23.42,"text":"You may recall that when President Eisenhower died, I had to do an election for the safety of the political representatives."},{"start":23.44,"end":24.18,"text":"You know what I'm talking about here?"},{"start":24.67,"end":45.76,"text":"Remember, we have to do all and all the others, of course, can't do that."},{"start":45.78,"end":48.18,"text":"But we have to do everything for all of the other representatives, not just someone in the family or in the White House."},{"start":48.2,"end":48.94,"text":"But do you recall that's what we did?"},{"start":48.96,"end":49.02,"text":"No."},{"start":49.04,"end":50.03,"text":"I don't think anybody's done anything about this."},{"start":50.05,"end":50.75,"text":"Have you heard anything about this?"},{"start":50.77,"end":51.43,"text":"I've heard absolutely everything."},{"start":51.45,"end":53.39,"text":"But if you didn't have to do the street check, you know, you know, they've got to run a few days."},{"start":53.41,"end":54.37,"text":"I think you probably heard that you can have the"},{"start":58.64,"end":79.21,"text":"my guess is that i should do it you haven't had a check personally i just want to know what it is"},{"start":79.5,"end":95.68,"text":"at the time of the Island Park incident."},{"start":95.7,"end":96.6,"text":"Alright, we're going to get back to you, sir."},{"start":96.62,"end":97.66,"text":"I don't, I, you don't need to get back to me at all."},{"start":97.68,"end":99.86,"text":"I'm, uh, I'm going to be here on the trip, so they can make sure there are times where I'm being taken about."},{"start":99.89,"end":101.99,"text":"There's one thing that is more likely different than the cable, and that is quite different in that case."},{"start":102.01,"end":102.69,"text":"Basically, that day was a funeral."},{"start":102.71,"end":102.83,"text":"Right."},{"start":102.85,"end":103.11,"text":"I understand."},{"start":103.13,"end":104.37,"text":"At that time, that funeral was held in the name of the people."},{"start":104.62,"end":112.47,"text":"And in this case, the General's already been held at the Memorial Center."},{"start":112.5,"end":114.04,"text":"But nevertheless, the number of heads of state, I mean former heads of state,"},{"start":116.03,"end":138.48,"text":"So it may be that it would be effective immediately thereafter."},{"start":138.5,"end":140.69,"text":"I recall, for example, when I went over to Galls, the funeral was to possibly give a reception for everybody."},{"start":140.71,"end":142.15,"text":"And after the funeral and that too, obviously it is different than that."},{"start":142.17,"end":144.21,"text":"But you can possibly want to give a reception and people will work on it and give it a recommendation."},{"start":144.23,"end":144.63,"text":"OK. All right, good."},{"start":144.65,"end":144.75,"text":"Fine."},{"start":144.77,"end":145.29,"text":"I'll go ahead and have a ."},{"start":145.31,"end":145.51,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":145.53,"end":145.73,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":145.75,"end":145.95,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon consults with Stephen B. Bull regarding the logistical and protocol requirements for the upcoming memorial service for Harry S. Truman. Drawing on past precedents from the Eisenhower and de Gaulle funerals, the President emphasizes the importance of properly managing the reception for attending heads of state. Nixon directs Bull to ensure that all necessary arrangements are coordinated, specifically tasking him with providing a recommendation for hosting a formal reception following the service.","topics":["Harry S. Truman","Memorial service","Funeral protocol","Heads of state","Diplomatic reception","Stephen B. 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