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Conversation 016-014

TapeTape 16StartMonday, December 6, 1971 at 9:19 AMEndMonday, December 6, 1971 at 9:24 AMTape start time00:35:33Tape end time00:40:29ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Rogers, William P.Recording deviceWhite House Telephone
AudioNARA Description

On December 6, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and William P. Rogers talked on the telephone from 9:19 am to 9:24 am. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 016-014 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 16-14

Date: December 6, 1971

Time: 9:19 am - 9:24 am
Location: White House Telephone

The President talked with William P. Rogers.

[See Conversation No. 629-6B]

     President's schedule
           -Meeting in Executive Office Building [EOB]

     Rogers' schedule
         -Senate meeting

     Pakistan
          -Refugees
          -United Nations [UN]
          -India
                -US military aid
          -Frank F. Church
                -Refugees
          -Michael J. Mansfield
                -Refugees
                     -US aid
          -Church's television appearance, December 5, 1971
          -American opinion
                -Neutrality
                -Peace
                -Humanitarianism
          -Administration record
          -UN debate
                -Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]-Peoples Republic of China [PRC]
                     exchange
                     -Acrimony
                     -US position
          -Rogers’ meeting with Senators
                -Mansfield
                -Hugh Scott
                -J. William Fulbright
                -George D. Aiken
                -John C. Stennis
                -Committees
                     -Armed Services

                     -Foreign Affairs

     Rogers schedule
         -North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO] meeting
         -Iceland trip
         -NATO meeting
               -Timing
               -Big Four dinner

     India–Pakistan War
          -President’s view

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[Previous National Security (B) withdrawal reviewed under MDR guidelines case number
LPRN-T-MDR-2012-005. Segment declassified on 05/28/2015. Archivist: DR]
[National Security]
[016-014-w001]
[Duration: 37s]

     India–Pakistan War
          -Military situation
                -William P. Rogers’s opinion
          -West Pakistan
                -Mountains
          -Kashmir

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     George H.W. Bush
          -Location
          -Possible telephone call from President
Transcript (AI-Generated)

This transcript was generated automatically by AI and has not been reviewed for accuracy. Do not cite this transcript as authoritative. Consult the Finding Aid above for verified information.

We, uh... Hello.
Hello.
Good morning, Mr. President.
We've got this set now.
It'll be 1.30, and we'll meet in the EOB.
Uh-huh.
Because, uh, the, uh...
Some other meetings will be taking place here.
Uh-huh.
And, uh, at, uh...
Just get a general rundown on the situation, and then if you also could, I think, give the senators a call and tell them that you can come up this afternoon.
Yeah, I've done that already.
I don't know how broadly that should be done, but I think it's a very good idea for at least the record to be out with regard to what we've done on refugees and why we've taken it to the U.N. We are staying out of this thing.
in terms of our military assistance, the fact that we have cut off the military assistance to India, etc.
Because even though we read it all the time and are quite familiar with it, some of them are not as familiar as they might be with this.
You remember Church made this statement to the effect that we were doing absolutely nothing on refugees.
And I told Mansfield about it this morning, and I said, I can't understand that because
You know we've given $250 million.
Mike was aware of it.
So I think it's just one of those things.
I don't think we can keep Church quiet.
I heard him on television last night.
He's going to make a political attack, and all we can do is try to dull the attack.
I don't believe we're going to have much criticism because I think what the American people want is for us to stay out of it.
And I think they want us to do everything we can to bring about a peaceful settlement, which we're trying to do, and to help in the humanitarian way.
I think we have a very good record.
Well, I think your record's good, but let's just don't assume that the record is known.
I mean, keep putting it out.
Apparently, quite a few of these fellows had heard some of the U.N. debate on television.
They said that the Russian-Chinese exchange was rather bitter.
But it was, you know, it's wonderful.
I tell you, the Russians, the Chinese call the Russians social imperialists, and the Russians call the Chinese the social traitors.
It's pretty acrimonious.
And it leaves us in a pretty good position because we haven't had to get involved in the middle.
Right.
Do you think, would you suggest that maybe I see a lot of senators, or just, I wondered about whether, I thought I just talked to the speaker.
I think if you do too many, it builds it up, but I think just doing a few, due to the fact that
they they must be aware of the fact that we're informing them that's all no but i think uh mike suggested that he said they're going to have a vote and they could get a lot of the senators and i said no i don't think that's a good idea that'll make it seem like a crisis so it'll it'll only be a crisis but it also gives a lot of the demagogues a chance to get up and make speeches about the thing that isn't what you want i think that uh just tell mike to have a
and he had a few in their office.
I thought they'd have Mike and you and, unfortunately, Bill and George Aiken and Dennis and somebody else.
That's right.
The Armed Services, Foreign Affairs, maybe... That ought to do it.
That ought to do it.
Because if you go beyond that, it's simply going to be...
A miniature U.N. debate, which is not going to be very useful.
Right.
I also thought I'd tell them at the end that I'd continue to come up periodically to fill them in so we'd keep them fully advised about the results.
Right, right, right.
I'm scheduled to go to this NATO meeting.
I had planned to go to Iceland.
I think I'll skip that, but I think I probably should go to the NATO meeting.
What time is the NATO meeting?
Well, I could leave Wednesday.
It's really Thursday and Friday, but there's a dinner Wednesday night at the Big Four.
Yeah.
I think I probably better go to that.
I think by that time there won't be any.
So what I'll leave is I'll probably leave Wednesday morning and get back Friday night.
I think you should go.
I mean, the world has to go forward.
This conflict is one that was apparently inevitable at some time or other.
It's just unfortunate it had to come for this cause and at this time.
That's right.
Incidentally, is Bush there with you?
No.
No, he isn't.
He's in New York.
I alerted him to the fact that you were calling.
Yeah, I might give him a call.
Fine.
Good.
All right.
Bye.
See you at 1.30.
Bye.
Bye.
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