Nixon White House Tapes — Conversation 160-013
Date: Saturday, January 6, 1973 at 2:54 PM
Participants: Nixon, Richard M. (President); Kissinger, Henry A.
Recording device: Camp David Study Table
Source: https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/160-013

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[0:00] Hello.
[0:01] Mr. President.
[0:02] You, uh, finished your lunch?
[0:04] Yes, I have.
[0:05] Are you still there?
[0:06] No, I'm still in the, uh, no, no, I'm in the office.
[0:10] Oh, fine, fine.
[0:11] How'd it go?
[0:11] Anything new?
[0:13] Nothing new, uh, because we talked mostly, this was scheduled to discuss other matters.
[0:19] Right, right.
[0:21] He hasn't had a report yet, or said he hasn't had a report from the doctor.
[0:25] So, this is much of.
[0:27] But apparently these guys lie to them so much that he's totally confused as to what the issues are.
[0:34] Ah, they're right.
[0:35] He listed a whole batch of them that were already settled.
[0:59] Frankly, as long as Vietnam is going on, I just can't turn to it effectively.
[1:03] That's correct.
[1:05] Well, you know, you really come down to the point, Henry, as to whether the Chinese and Russians really are going to put a little pressure on them or not.
[1:16] I don't know.
[1:17] Who are the Chinese?
[1:18] Yeah, yeah.
[1:26] in the Chinese.
[1:27] One, they don't want Vietnam Unified under Hanoi.
[1:32] Yeah.
[1:33] And two, they don't want that influence to predominate in Hanoi.
[1:39] Yep.
[1:39] But, uh, and I think that message from Joe is... Well, that does seem to me to have some significance.
[1:47] They do not talk lightly.
[1:48] Now, the doctor who arrived today in Paris
[1:55] He says what?
[1:58] Uh-huh.
[2:00] Yeah.
[2:05] Yeah.
[2:27] We're not insisting on any changes, are we?
[2:45] I don't think.
[2:46] I don't know.
[2:47] But it's there that they're insisting on the changes, aren't they?
[2:51] Exactly.
[2:54] It may be, of course, that he's referring to it.
[2:57] One thing about it, sometimes I wonder if our restraint and our public statements may be misinterpreted to them.
[3:14] You know, they play everything up to the propaganda hilt and we refuse to talk and so forth.
[3:19] What do you think?
[3:22] I don't think so.
[3:24] they have been pretty restrained except he couldn't let this opportunity go by around the airport right right the one thing i want to tell you adding to it needless to say in the course of these meetings if you need to say that you have a rep just received a message from me or you know anything you you feel free to
[3:47] to use one you know right you know the various things we've covered and uh and they're all there so you just pull out anytime anytime you want you pull out a piece of paper and say well i just got this message right you know okay right or ask for one anytime you need one so that because you mustn't be i want you to be in every the strongest possible position okay henry goodbye