{"conversationCode":"164-026","tapeNumber":164,"conversationNumber":26,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-164-026","startDateTime":"1973-04-29T00:20:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-04-29T01:10:00.000Z","startDate":"28-Apr-1973","startTime":"7:20 PM","endDate":"28-Apr-1973","endTime":"8:10 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Ziegler, Ronald L.; Camp David operator;","description":"On April 28, 1973, Ronald L. Ziegler and Camp David operator talked on the telephone at Camp David at an unknown time between 7:20 pm and 8:10 pm. 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Colson\n           -Location\n                 Princeton, New Jersey\n           -Return call\n\n[The operator placed the telephone on hold at an unknown time.]\n\n     Colson’s location\n          -Motel\n\n[The operator placed the telephone on hold at an unknown time]\n\n[Pause]\n\n     Colson’s location\n          -Plans\n          -Search for Colson\n\f                                                -22-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                           Conversation No. 164-26 (cont’d)\n\n                 -Urgency","filename":["164-026.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Ziegler, Ronald L.","Camp David operator"],"prevCode":"164-025","nextCode":"164-027","transcript":[{"start":0.39,"end":1.65,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":1.67,"end":2.69,"text":"Yeah, do you have Colson?"},{"start":2.71,"end":3.03,"text":"Not yet."},{"start":3.07,"end":7.94,"text":"He's in Princeton, New Jersey, and we're trying to reach him."},{"start":8.1,"end":8.64,"text":"I'll call you back."},{"start":8.69,"end":9.29,"text":"May I ring you back?"},{"start":9.59,"end":10.67,"text":"How long will that be?"},{"start":10.95,"end":11.47,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":11.53,"end":12.79,"text":"She's dialing the number now."},{"start":12.91,"end":13.32,"text":"It's okay."},{"start":13.42,"end":13.7,"text":"I'll hold."},{"start":13.98,"end":14.8,"text":"I'm not impatient with you."},{"start":14.88,"end":15.6,"text":"All right."},{"start":15.66,"end":16.52,"text":"No, that's all right."},{"start":16.54,"end":17.05,"text":"We know."},{"start":17.18,"end":18.43,"text":"I'll just hold on here just a second."},{"start":36.87,"end":37.31,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":180.66,"end":186.07,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":192.88,"end":194.02,"text":"Is he at that number?"},{"start":194.04,"end":196.24,"text":"No, he's not at that number, and I was trying to see."},{"start":196.28,"end":201.39,"text":"He left this morning at 1115, so maybe he just hadn't checked in as yet, you know, at the motel for the evening."},{"start":202.09,"end":203.4,"text":"But they didn't have him registered."},{"start":203.96,"end":204.92,"text":"They didn't have him registered?"},{"start":205.28,"end":205.5,"text":"No."},{"start":205.6,"end":206.4,"text":"But did they expect him?"},{"start":206.42,"end":207.86,"text":"He's checking for reservations now."},{"start":208.44,"end":209.82,"text":"Okay, I'll hold just one more minute."},{"start":209.84,"end":210.15,"text":"All right."},{"start":335.35,"end":343.97,"text":"He went to see his son on a crew at Princeton, and his office was wanting him to stay over, but he was considering coming back tonight."},{"start":344.61,"end":347.51,"text":"And he was going to go out to dinner with his son and all, so we haven't found him as yet."},{"start":347.65,"end":348.45,"text":"Okay, well."},{"start":348.77,"end":349.37,"text":"Can we continue?"},{"start":351.1,"end":353.72,"text":"Yeah, but don't make it sound too urgent, you know."},{"start":353.8,"end":354.42,"text":"All right, right."},{"start":354.44,"end":356.38,"text":"Don't make it sound too urgent, Helen."},{"start":356.4,"end":357.17,"text":"You know how to handle it."},{"start":357.25,"end":358.23,"text":"Yeah, right, sure."},{"start":358.33,"end":358.57,"text":"Thanks."},{"start":358.59,"end":359.17,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"Press Secretary Ronald L. Ziegler directed the Camp David operator to locate former aide Charles W. Colson, who was visiting his son in Princeton, New Jersey. The effort to reach Colson proved difficult as he was not registered at his expected motel and had uncertain travel plans for the evening. Ziegler specifically instructed the operator to maintain a professional demeanor and ensure the request did not appear overly urgent.","topics":["Charles W. Colson","Ronald L. 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