{"conversationCode":"164-040","tapeNumber":164,"conversationNumber":40,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-164-040","startDateTime":"1973-04-30T13:15:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-04-30T13:17:00.000Z","startDate":"30-Apr-1973","startTime":"9:15 AM","endDate":"30-Apr-1973","endTime":"9:17 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Rebozo, Charles G. (\"Bebe\");","description":"On April 30, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Charles G. (\"Bebe\") Rebozo talked on the telephone at Camp David from 9:15 am to 9:17 am. 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(“Hobe”) Lewis\n                 President’s schedule\n                       -Florida vacation\n           -President’s mood\n\f                                             -30-\n\n                  NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                           Conversation No. 164-39 (cont’d)\n\n                 -John D. Ehrlichman, H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman, Richard G. Kleindienst\n\n     President’s schedule\n           -Florida vacation\n\n     Rebozo’s schedule\n          -Dinner with Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon\n          -President’s forthcoming speech","filename":["164-040.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Rebozo, Charles G. (\"Bebe\")"],"prevCode":"164-039","nextCode":"164-041","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":2.08,"text":"Hello."},{"start":2.1,"end":2.52,"text":"Mr. President?"},{"start":2.54,"end":2.9,"text":"Hello, yeah."},{"start":3.6,"end":4.22,"text":"Hello, Mr. President."},{"start":4.28,"end":5.28,"text":"Hi, baby, how are you?"},{"start":5.3,"end":6.14,"text":"Fine, how are you feeling?"},{"start":6.22,"end":7.14,"text":"Fine, fine."},{"start":7.42,"end":9.17,"text":"Good, good."},{"start":10.13,"end":13.48,"text":"I've had, uh, I don't know, you just don't know how many great supporters you've got."},{"start":14.24,"end":15.6,"text":"Well, it's been fantastic."},{"start":15.66,"end":16.18,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":16.2,"end":16.82,"text":"Really fantastic."},{"start":16.86,"end":17.28,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":17.52,"end":18.77,"text":"Beautiful, just beautiful."},{"start":18.99,"end":21.53,"text":"Well, I've had a very hard day yesterday."},{"start":21.93,"end":22.29,"text":"I know."},{"start":22.91,"end":28.66,"text":"bite the bullet and a few things, and now I'm trying to work out a damn speech, and if I survive it, I don't know."},{"start":28.68,"end":32.47,"text":"I just thought last night, I was thinking maybe the one that should resign should be me."},{"start":32.69,"end":34.77,"text":"I should just get... Oh, God."},{"start":34.81,"end":35.07,"text":"...check out."},{"start":35.09,"end":36.23,"text":"Christ, what the hell."},{"start":36.25,"end":37.73,"text":"No, I know it."},{"start":37.75,"end":40.86,"text":"Go down and sit around in Florida in that nice sun."},{"start":40.88,"end":41.66,"text":"Yeah, I know it."},{"start":42.28,"end":43.14,"text":"I know you, though."},{"start":43.16,"end":46.1,"text":"I wouldn't have gone the second go-around, but you're in it."},{"start":46.12,"end":52.33,"text":"You're going to blow it out, but you'll be... You've hit the very bottom since you've done it before."},{"start":52.95,"end":59.3,"text":"But I tell you, just some of the comments and calls I've had just make me want to weep with joy."},{"start":59.72,"end":67.57,"text":"It's just wonderful how many real friends and supporters you've got among even people that you don't even know."},{"start":69.12,"end":70.32,"text":"It's really, really heartwarming."},{"start":70.79,"end":71.87,"text":"Well, that's good, baby."},{"start":72.05,"end":74.91,"text":"He called last night, too, and he just wasn't home."},{"start":74.93,"end":75.78,"text":"Yeah, good for him."},{"start":75.8,"end":76.6,"text":"He said, you know what?"},{"start":76.62,"end":85.23,"text":"I'm going to go do this television tonight and try to get my work done so that I can come to Florida for maybe Friday or Thursday night."},{"start":85.33,"end":86.35,"text":"And I'm going to spend that."},{"start":86.37,"end":90.17,"text":"I have to spend three or four days because it's sort of torn me up, as you know."},{"start":90.92,"end":94.9,"text":"Not because of myself, but basically because of John and Bob."},{"start":94.92,"end":95.82,"text":"I know."},{"start":95.84,"end":99.55,"text":"Others in the East, I've had a whole bunch in there."},{"start":100.17,"end":104.61,"text":"And, you know, when you've got a problem like this, you've got to rip it all out."},{"start":104.63,"end":105.13,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":105.15,"end":107.02,"text":"It tears them up, tears me up."},{"start":108,"end":108.1,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":108.71,"end":114.96,"text":"I know it won't do much good what I say, but what the hell, the assholes will still keep attacking and that's fine."},{"start":114.98,"end":117.22,"text":"Well, they're going to do that anyway."},{"start":117.32,"end":124.07,"text":"But anyway, I appreciate your call and we'll keep the faith and by gosh, let's try to, this time I don't give a damn what's going on, we're going to rest."},{"start":124.09,"end":124.64,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":124.66,"end":125.5,"text":"You'll be there, will you?"},{"start":125.86,"end":126.42,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":126.44,"end":128.56,"text":"You have no problems yet to talk to me about?"},{"start":128.58,"end":131.93,"text":"No, no, you don't, do you want me to stay tonight or..."},{"start":133.6,"end":135.84,"text":"I think if you would, it'd be nice."},{"start":135.94,"end":141.62,"text":"Yeah, stay at the tap, if you would, and have dinner with them, and I'll see you after the broadcast at 9.30."},{"start":141.64,"end":143.05,"text":"Okay."},{"start":143.07,"end":144.65,"text":"All right, sir."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and close confidant Bebe Rebozo discuss the President's intense personal distress following the resignations of top aides H.R. 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