{"conversationCode":"164-055","tapeNumber":164,"conversationNumber":55,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-164-055","startDateTime":"1973-04-30T21:50:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-04-30T21:51:00.000Z","startDate":"30-Apr-1973","startTime":"5:50 PM","endDate":"30-Apr-1973","endTime":"5:51 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.;","description":"On April 30, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler talked on the telephone at Camp David from 5:50 pm to 5:51 pm. The Camp David Study Table taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 164-055 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"CDST","recordingDevice":"Camp David Study Table","latitudeEstimated":39.648333,"longitudeEstimated":-77.465,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 164-55\n\nDate: April 30, 1973\nTime: 5:50 pm - 5:51 pm\nLocation: Camp David Study Table\n\nThe President talked with Ronald L. Ziegler.\n\n     Congressional reaction\n\n     Ziegler’s conversation with Elliot L. Richardson\n           -James O. Eastland\n           -Support for President\n\n     Watergate\n          -John W. Dean, III\n                -Dean’s strategy\n\n     President’s previous press conference","filename":["164-055.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ziegler, Ronald L."],"prevCode":"164-054","nextCode":"164-056","transcript":[{"start":0.42,"end":1,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":1.2,"end":2.24,"text":"Mr. Ziegler."},{"start":2.7,"end":2.9,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":2.92,"end":3.34,"text":"Hello, Ron."},{"start":3.44,"end":4.4,"text":"Anything new I should know?"},{"start":5.34,"end":8.81,"text":"No, I think the developments are about the same as we mentioned before."},{"start":8.83,"end":13.31,"text":"The reaction from the hill is a constructive step."},{"start":13.41,"end":14.82,"text":"And I talked to Elliot."},{"start":14.84,"end":18.94,"text":"He said that he had a good session with Eastland today."},{"start":20.12,"end":24.05,"text":"The tone here is one of pulling together, I think."},{"start":24.09,"end":25.85,"text":"Okay."},{"start":27.01,"end":28.01,"text":"Nothing more from Dean."},{"start":28.52,"end":29.78,"text":"No, no, nothing at all."},{"start":29.82,"end":31.08,"text":"I think he's in good shape."},{"start":31.36,"end":33.32,"text":"I mean, in terms of..."},{"start":33.34,"end":35.69,"text":"In good shape until he knows what the hell he's going to do."},{"start":36.01,"end":36.79,"text":"Well."},{"start":36.81,"end":37.63,"text":"The hell with him."},{"start":37.65,"end":38.51,"text":"Right, absolutely."},{"start":38.53,"end":40.01,"text":"The hell with him."},{"start":40.51,"end":41.13,"text":"Okay."},{"start":41.65,"end":44.5,"text":"When was the last time I met the press?"},{"start":44.62,"end":47.6,"text":"You know, would you check that and let me know?"},{"start":47.82,"end":48.1,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":48.48,"end":49.62,"text":"I'll have to look at the calendar."},{"start":50.02,"end":50.91,"text":"You want to call me back?"},{"start":50.92,"end":52.01,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":55.01,"end":55.13,"text":"Right."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Press Secretary Ronald Ziegler discuss the political fallout of the Watergate scandal and the emerging legislative reaction on Capitol Hill. Ziegler reports on positive outreach efforts with Senator James O. Eastland and confirms there have been no new developments regarding John W. Dean III, whom the President dismissively labels as a concern only until his future intentions are clear. The exchange concludes with Nixon requesting verification of the date of his most recent press conference.","topics":["Watergate","John W. Dean III","Congressional relations","Elliot Richardson","Press relations","James O. Eastland"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T09:23:49.924Z"},"topicSlugs":["watergate","john-w-dean-iii","congressional-relations","elliot-richardson","press-relations","james-o-eastland"],"audioDurationSec":60,"audioFiles":[{"file":"164-055.mp3","bytes":1918976,"durationSec":59.88,"bitrate":256376,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:04.104Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/164-055.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/164-055","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/164/conversation-164-055","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}