{"conversationCode":"165-013","tapeNumber":165,"conversationNumber":13,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-165-013","startDateTime":"1973-05-12T15:56:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-05-12T15:58:00.000Z","startDate":"12-May-1973","startTime":"11:56 AM","endDate":"12-May-1973","endTime":"11:58 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Camp David operator;","description":"On May 12, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Camp David operator talked on the telephone at Camp David at an unknown time between 11:56 am and 11:58 am. The Camp David Study Table taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 165-013 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"CDST","recordingDevice":"Camp David Study Table","latitudeEstimated":39.648333,"longitudeEstimated":-77.465,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 165-13\n\nDate: May 12, 1973\nTime: Unknown between 11:56 am and 11:58 am\nLocation: Camp David Study Table\n\nThe President talked with the Camp David operator.\n\n     Telephone call to Roy L. Ash","filename":["165-013.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Camp David operator"],"prevCode":"165-012","nextCode":"165-014","transcript":[{"start":0.27,"end":4.23,"text":"Mr. Ash again, please."},{"start":4.41,"end":11.73,"text":"Yes, sir."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon requested that the Camp David operator connect him via telephone to Roy L. Ash, the Director of the Office of Management and Budget. The brief exchange served as a logistical step to facilitate direct communication between the President and his budget chief. No substantive policy discussions occurred during this administrative interaction.","topics":["Roy L. Ash","Office of Management and Budget","telecommunications","presidential administration"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T09:25:37.056Z"},"topicSlugs":["roy-l-ash","office-of-management-and-budget","telecommunications","presidential-administration"],"audioDurationSec":12,"audioFiles":[{"file":"165-013.mp3","bytes":376832,"durationSec":11.68,"bitrate":258104,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:02.713Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/165-013.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/165-013","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/165/conversation-165-013","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}