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Conversation 165-023

TapeTape 165StartSaturday, May 12, 1973 at 2:04 PMEndSaturday, May 12, 1973 at 2:10 PMParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Haig, Alexander M., Jr.Recording deviceCamp David Study Table
AudioNARA Description

On May 12, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Alexander M. Haig, Jr. talked on the telephone at Camp David from 2:04 pm to 2:10 pm. The Camp David Study Table taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 165-023 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 165-23

Date: May 12, 1973
Time: 2:04pm - 2:10 pm
Location: Camp David Study Table

The President talked with Alexander M. Haig, Jr.

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                 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM 


                                     Tape Subject Log 

                                    (rev. February-2012)

                                                             Conversation No. 165-23 (cont’d)

          -Richard M. Helms          

                -Schedule        

          -White House response           

                -“McCarthyism”
                       -Ronald L. Ziegler’s previous press conference
                       -News reports on L[ouis] Patrick Gray, III
          -Gray       

                -Location        

                -Lawyer        

          -White House response           

                -[William?] Beecher             

                -John C. Stennis        

                -James J. Kilpatrick          

                -Ziegler’s previous press conference       

          -Gray
                -Press coverage
                       -Washington Post
                       -Ervin Committee contrasted with Grand Jury
                -Ziegler’s previous press briefing      

                -Attempts to locate         

          -William D. Ruckelshaus’s forthcoming statement 

                -J. Fred Buzhardt, Jr.           

                -Wiretaps        

                       -Compared with previous administrations
                       -Possible release of names
                       -Henry Brandon
          -Gray
Transcript (AI-Generated)

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Hello?
Yes, Mr. President.
Hello, Al.
Any developments?
Yes, sir.
Al is held up and won't be in now until Monday, I see.
We've been going over a game plan here, which involves getting some good coverage on the issue of the McCarthyism issue and
but a kind of a new window that's going out.
Now Ron hit very hard bridging off the Florida.
And he had his breeding already?
Yes, he's done it, and it's just about right.
So I think we've got some backdrop against the dribbling that's come out today on Gray.
On the other hand, what we do have to do is... You haven't gone Gray yet?
No.
We've got a message with the girl, the woman in his house, for him to call.
And he has not called.
His lawyer has just disappeared.
We can't find him anywhere.
Now, I think we have to go to get this sort of a backfire responsibility bill in a more careful, delicate way.
And we've got a very good game plan for that.
We use a
over in defense.
We've got excellent contacts, as you know.
Yes.
Stennis is working covertly all through the Hill now.
He's active doing that.
Right.
We're going to get with the legal profession, and that's going to be done very carefully.
Jack Kilpatrick, we have a good way to get him.
Yeah.
And then we will have, of course, some key pressure points countrywide.
Uh, outside of Washington, all of the focus is right here.
Right.
So, uh, I think it's important to get this kind of thing built.
Yeah.
You see, what we have here, sir, is a, a very, a weird need of keeping this thing, uh, impressed for, for moderation.
Insanity.
Right.
But tell me about, about Ron.
Did Ron hit hard on the fact of, goddammit, that President did not, uh,
Oh, yeah.
He said, get the hell off and get your ass off into the work or whatever.
I don't know.
No, no.
He hit very hard.
He reiterated the same points made Miami, or to keep his game explicitly as hard.
All right.
Yeah.
No, he didn't.
You know, we did not because this is not playing that heavily.
Actually, it doesn't.
It's a great story.
Yeah, it's not.
And as a matter of fact, the post played it in a very interesting way.
How did they play it?
So we got the wire service, the Daily News, and... What do you say the post played in an interesting way?
Well, you see what happened here.
There are two forms, the committee and the jury.
Right.
And there is an obvious difference in the interpretation of the two audiences or the sources from those audiences.
And the post just laid it out, one being quite good.
They read a jury later in the day, which made it very clear that you were not warned.
Well, I was warned.
Well, they said it was not a warning, it was a... Information.
Yes, and that they're going on with this.
The point is, did Ron hit hard on the one plight that is in the only good plight, that whole gaggle of stuff that investigates the facts?
Exactly.
Did he hit that or not?
Yes.
Yes, he hit that very hard.
Good.
Good.
Well, that's good.
So, what's the plan for the rest of the day?
Still trying to get Gray and hope he makes a statement.
Yes, we're going to continue on that.
And maybe bug him one more time, that girl up there, the woman.
He knows.
He knows.
We're trying to get him working, but that's where he is.
We haven't gotten him from positive.
Yes.
Now, we've worked over Ruckelhaus a little bit on his statement for Monday.
He did.
It was our idea to shake him up on that.
get that thing out the right way.
I'll be sure we're going to all the things that were done before we got here.
That's right.
The details on past administrations.
Right.
Right.
Necessary for national security.
That's right.
Now, Ruckelhaus had some in-house pressure over there to release the names of the newsmen.
Let me say this.
I thought about that
The release of anybody who was investigated is out.
It's a disaster.
That's right.
No, it will not release the names of anybody because that would impinge upon the rights of innocent people.
That's right.
That's right.
And then we go to Dan first.
No, sir.
No, sir.
It says it will not release any names.
Under any kind of pressure, can he resist that?
Yes.
Yes.
Yes, he's convinced it's the wrong thing to do now, but the czar needed about 30 minutes of logic with him before he understood this.
All right.
It's dangerous, isn't it?
Well, it's just dangerous, but it's wrong.
Good God, I mean, like Henry Brandon should be, maybe not a goddamn thing.
That's right.
And then they have no alternative but to fight you.
They have a remedy.
That's right.
That's right.
I think we may have just gotten gray on the phone.
No, but could you call me right back then?
Yes, sir.
All right.
Hello?
Yes, sir.
I'll call you right back.
Yeah, okay.
Good.
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