{"conversationCode":"165-025","tapeNumber":165,"conversationNumber":25,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-165-025","startDateTime":"1973-05-12T18:11:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-05-12T18:13:00.000Z","startDate":"12-May-1973","startTime":"2:11 PM","endDate":"12-May-1973","endTime":"2:13 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haig, Alexander M., Jr.;","description":"On May 12, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Alexander M. Haig, Jr. talked on the telephone at Camp David from 2:11 pm to 2:13 pm. 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(President)","Haig, Alexander M., Jr."],"prevCode":"165-024","nextCode":"165-026","transcript":[{"start":0.44,"end":6.14,"text":"I didn't want to interrupt your call, but I did want to be sure if you do get grayed, if you get hit hard."},{"start":6.87,"end":9.35,"text":"And he's a patriot, and he knows I'm his friend."},{"start":9.77,"end":19.48,"text":"But the point he's got to emphasize is one that I called him, and he said, I'm concerned about people that may be doing you a disservice."},{"start":19.5,"end":25.79,"text":"And I said, Pat, your job is to get to the bottom and go clear to the top, no matter who it hurts."},{"start":26.11,"end":27.46,"text":"He's got to say that."},{"start":30.02,"end":32.14,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":32.86,"end":34.96,"text":"I think so."},{"start":36.04,"end":40.39,"text":"We have to really, what we have to find out is exactly what he said to both."},{"start":40.43,"end":41.39,"text":"That's the important thing."},{"start":41.75,"end":46.43,"text":"That we know what he said and then bridge off that to get a public statement."},{"start":46.45,"end":52.84,"text":"But you see, whatever he did say is, you know, all that's going to dribble out."},{"start":52.9,"end":55.34,"text":"But the point is, this is a PR thing."},{"start":55.36,"end":57.87,"text":"He should now make a public statement, you know."},{"start":58.5,"end":63.89,"text":"You see, the public statement, you know, is going to override the PRs, you know?"},{"start":63.91,"end":66.19,"text":"I mean, it's going to override what the hell happened to the grand jury."},{"start":66.29,"end":67.63,"text":"Forget the goddamn grand jury."},{"start":67.73,"end":68.95,"text":"Forget what he said to the committee."},{"start":69.45,"end":78.92,"text":"He's got to say that the president told him to get his ass on it, conducted thorough investigation, which he, of course, said over and over and over he did, too."},{"start":79.5,"end":79.98,"text":"That's right."},{"start":80,"end":81.26,"text":"That's what we have to do."},{"start":81.28,"end":81.5,"text":"All right."},{"start":81.52,"end":83.91,"text":"You think you got him on the phone now?"},{"start":83.93,"end":85.01,"text":"I've got the guy in the other room."},{"start":85.13,"end":85.91,"text":"Okay, fine."},{"start":85.99,"end":87.11,"text":"I'm sure he got him."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Alexander Haig coordinate a public relations strategy regarding Louis Patrick Gray III's upcoming testimony and statements concerning the Watergate investigation. 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