{"conversationCode":"167-022","tapeNumber":167,"conversationNumber":22,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-167-022","startDateTime":"1973-05-20T19:34:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-05-20T19:35:00.000Z","startDate":"20-May-1973","startTime":"3:34 PM","endDate":"20-May-1973","endTime":"3:35 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Lewis, Hobart D.;","description":"On May 20, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Hobart D. Lewis talked on the telephone at Camp David from 3:34 pm to 3:35 pm. 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Eisenhower’s letter to New York Times\n\n     Public interests\n           -Soviet summit","filename":["167-022.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Lewis, Hobart D."],"prevCode":"167-021","nextCode":"167-023","transcript":[{"start":0.47,"end":1.35,"text":"Hello."},{"start":1.45,"end":2.29,"text":"Hello, Mr. President."},{"start":2.31,"end":4.48,"text":"Just calling to see how your morale is."},{"start":4.78,"end":5.92,"text":"My morale is excellent."},{"start":5.94,"end":6.9,"text":"I know yours is."},{"start":6.92,"end":11.37,"text":"Well, just remember, Hope, keep fighting."},{"start":11.39,"end":12.25,"text":"Just keep in there fighting."},{"start":12.27,"end":14.23,"text":"That's all there is to do."},{"start":14.31,"end":20.39,"text":"We're going to have a lot of crap when I fly around here, but you'll finally come down to it, you know."},{"start":21.14,"end":30.66,"text":"there's too many big things to be done in the world that's right and that's that's the whole thing we've got to just get in a strong position and keep on going that's right and all"},{"start":39.35,"end":40.45,"text":"There'll be more, of course."},{"start":40.47,"end":42.19,"text":"I suppose it'll go on for a long time."},{"start":42.37,"end":53.45,"text":"And, of course, they thrash around with the president, thinking maybe they've got everything from clemency to cover-up to everything, but he can't get out there and defend it."},{"start":53.47,"end":54.25,"text":"That's the problem."},{"start":54.27,"end":55.27,"text":"That's the whole problem."},{"start":55.29,"end":58.06,"text":"But there ought to be some people out there in front who can do it for you."},{"start":58.22,"end":59.28,"text":"They will at the proper time."},{"start":59.46,"end":60.04,"text":"I think they will."},{"start":60.12,"end":66.49,"text":"I told B.B., you know, and I told Rose, if there's the slightest thing I can do or we can do, we can do it."},{"start":66.47,"end":68.07,"text":"Well, we'll ask you."},{"start":68.09,"end":71.5,"text":"I thought that letter that John Eisenhower wrote to the New York Times was very good."},{"start":71.73,"end":72.4,"text":"Wasn't that good?"},{"start":72.54,"end":73.3,"text":"I thought it was marvelous."},{"start":73.68,"end":74.22,"text":"Brilliant letter."},{"start":74.4,"end":78.14,"text":"And I'd like to reprint it, if we can do it, just to question whether the timing is right."},{"start":78.78,"end":80.57,"text":"We could be sort of next July or August."},{"start":81.23,"end":82.63,"text":"Yeah, that's right."},{"start":82.65,"end":84.65,"text":"But anyway... You can't really judge that hopefully."},{"start":84.67,"end":86.03,"text":"You can't really tell quite that, yeah."},{"start":86.38,"end":90.72,"text":"By then, people may be thinking of the Russian summit and other things."},{"start":90.74,"end":93.37,"text":"Well, I hope they are."},{"start":93.39,"end":93.83,"text":"That's right."},{"start":94.19,"end":94.63,"text":"Okay, bye."},{"start":94.65,"end":94.85,"text":"All right."},{"start":95.05,"end":95.75,"text":"Thanks for calling."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon initiated this brief call to check on the morale of Hobart D. Lewis amidst the intensifying Watergate scandal. The discussion centered on the President's public image and the strategic difficulty of defending himself against various allegations, including cover-up and clemency claims. They expressed mutual admiration for a recent supportive letter written by John S. D. Eisenhower to the New York Times, contemplating potential future use of the text to shift public focus toward broader international interests like the upcoming Soviet summit.","topics":["Watergate scandal","Public relations","John S. D. Eisenhower","Soviet summit","Presidential defense"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T09:30:46.673Z"},"topicSlugs":["watergate-scandal","public-relations","john-s-d-eisenhower","soviet-summit","presidential-defense"],"audioDurationSec":104,"audioFiles":[{"file":"167-022.mp3","bytes":3325952,"durationSec":103.79,"bitrate":256368,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:04.104Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/167-022.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/167-022","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/167/conversation-167-022","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}