{"conversationCode":"172-010","tapeNumber":172,"conversationNumber":10,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-172-010","startDateTime":"1972-06-09T21:38:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-06-09T21:39:00.000Z","startDate":"9-Jun-1972","startTime":"5:38 PM","endDate":"9-Jun-1972","endTime":"5:39 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\");","description":"On June 9, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman talked on the telephone at Camp David from 5:38 pm to 5:39 pm. 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Mardian","filename":["172-010.mp3"],"tapeStart":"01:04:54","tapeEnd":"01:05:51","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\")"],"prevCode":"172-009","nextCode":"172-011","transcript":[{"start":0.13,"end":0.47,"text":"Hello."},{"start":0.57,"end":0.85,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":1.87,"end":3.29,"text":"Oh, are you down at Laurel?"},{"start":3.55,"end":4.73,"text":"No, I'm over at the tennis court now."},{"start":5.17,"end":6.25,"text":"Oh, yeah, yeah, fine."},{"start":6.29,"end":6.97,"text":"Do you want me to come over?"},{"start":7.15,"end":8.26,"text":"No, no, no, no."},{"start":8.31,"end":9.18,"text":"Go ahead."},{"start":9.22,"end":11.02,"text":"I hope you're playing a game."},{"start":11.22,"end":11.54,"text":"Oh, yeah."},{"start":11.92,"end":13.88,"text":"But that's, I could put any time, right?"},{"start":13.92,"end":16.08,"text":"No, no, but we're, not a thing, not a thing."},{"start":16.34,"end":16.66,"text":"Let it go."},{"start":16.88,"end":17.22,"text":"Let it go."},{"start":17.78,"end":18.32,"text":"Finish the game."},{"start":18.64,"end":19.14,"text":"Finish the game."},{"start":19.5,"end":20.26,"text":"Be glad to come over."},{"start":20.36,"end":22.82,"text":"No, no, I just, I was just on the phone with the client."},{"start":22.84,"end":24,"text":"He said I worked today."},{"start":24.88,"end":29.58,"text":"Well, it turns out now that Mitchell does not want Ruckelshaus deputy AG either."},{"start":29.7,"end":30.56,"text":"Is that right?"},{"start":30.8,"end":32.45,"text":"Well, I didn't know about that."},{"start":32.51,"end":34.42,"text":"He wants me to keep my mind open."},{"start":34.45,"end":35.05,"text":"I said I would."},{"start":35.38,"end":37.99,"text":"Okay, but his argument is this."},{"start":38.55,"end":42.29,"text":"He wants a pro in there to handle the conventions and that sort of thing."},{"start":42.37,"end":46.25,"text":"Yeah, but that's not as important as some of the other stuff."},{"start":46.53,"end":47.75,"text":"He can find a pro to do that."},{"start":47.87,"end":51.05,"text":"Well, we've got John Dean over at our place to command a load."},{"start":51.07,"end":52.01,"text":"It can't be Marty in there."},{"start":52.81,"end":53.43,"text":"No, God, no."},{"start":53.73,"end":53.83,"text":"No."},{"start":54.73,"end":55.61,"text":"Okay, bye."},{"start":55.9,"end":56.2,"text":"All right."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and H. R. Haldeman briefly discussed personnel concerns regarding the Department of Justice, specifically John Mitchell's opposition to appointing William Ruckelshaus as Deputy Attorney General. Mitchell prefers a professional with convention experience for the role, while Nixon expresses skepticism about the necessity of that qualification. The conversation concludes with a dismissal of Robert Mardian as a candidate and a focus on utilizing John Dean for related departmental tasks.","topics":["Department of Justice","John N. Mitchell","William D. Ruckelshaus","Personnel appointments","John W. 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