{"conversationCode":"186-001","tapeNumber":186,"conversationNumber":1,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-186-001","startDateTime":"1973-02-02T20:43:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-02-03T01:50:00.000Z","startDate":"2-Feb-1973","startTime":"3:43 PM","endDate":"2-Feb-1973","endTime":"8:50 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Camp David Operator; Hirsch, William; [Unknown person(s)];","description":"On February 2, 1973, Camp David operator, William Hirsch, and unknown person(s) talked on the telephone at Camp David at an unknown time between 3:43 pm and 8:50 pm. The Camp David Study Desk taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 186-001 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"CDSD","recordingDevice":"Camp David Study Desk","latitudeEstimated":39.648333,"longitudeEstimated":-77.465,"chronCode":"5.4","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part IV","chronReleaseDate":"8-Dec-2010","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 186-1\n\nDate: February 2, 1973\nTime: Unknown between 3:43 pm and 8:50 pm\nLocation: Camp David Study Desk\n\nWilliam Hirsch talked with the Camp David operator.\n\n       Request for a call to Aspen\n\nHirsch talked with an unknown person at an unknown time between 3:43 pm and 8:50 pm.\n\n       Request for a conversation with Charlie C. Sumrell","filename":["186-001.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Camp David Operator","Hirsch, William","[Unknown person(s)]"],"prevCode":"185-001","nextCode":"186-002","transcript":[{"start":3.2,"end":5.23,"text":"Yeah, it's Hirshman, the kitchen, please."},{"start":5.79,"end":6.17,"text":"Okay."},{"start":6.55,"end":18.1,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":18.14,"end":19.02,"text":"That's Peter."},{"start":19.05,"end":20.87,"text":"Yeah, but there is someone out there."},{"start":20.89,"end":21.07,"text":"Huh?"},{"start":21.35,"end":21.81,"text":"Charlie."},{"start":21.83,"end":22.91,"text":"Can I talk to Charlie, please?"},{"start":23.53,"end":23.73,"text":"Who?"},{"start":24.53,"end":25.15,"text":"Summerall."},{"start":25.91,"end":29.22,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":29.24,"end":29.96,"text":"But there?"},{"start":30.06,"end":30.18,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":30.2,"end":30.64,"text":"It's Hirsh."},{"start":31.06,"end":32.08,"text":"I want to talk to Summerall."},{"start":32.16,"end":32.7,"text":"He's saying... Oh!"},{"start":33.63,"end":35.81,"text":"All right."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"William Hirsch utilized the Camp David telephone system to facilitate logistical communications between the facility's kitchen staff and personnel at the Aspen lodge. The exchange primarily served as an administrative request to connect Hirsch with Charlie C. Sumrell. No substantive policy discussions occurred, as the dialogue was limited to verifying availability and routing the call.","topics":["Camp David","Logistics","Communications","William Hirsch","Charlie C. Sumrell"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T09:44:44.741Z"},"topicSlugs":["camp-david","logistics","communications","william-hirsch","charlie-c-sumrell"],"audioDurationSec":42,"audioFiles":[{"file":"186-001.mp3","bytes":288768,"durationSec":41.51,"bitrate":55657,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:33.323Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/186-001.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/186-001","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/186/conversation-186-001","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}