{"conversationCode":"186-002","tapeNumber":186,"conversationNumber":2,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-186-002","startDateTime":"1973-02-02T20:43:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-02-03T01:50:00.000Z","startDate":"2-Feb-1973","startTime":"3:43 PM","endDate":"2-Feb-1973","endTime":"8:50 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Hirsch, William; Sumrell, Charles C. (\"Charlie\");","description":"On February 2, 1973, William Hirsch and Charles C. (\"Charlie\") Sumrell talked on the telephone at Camp David at an unknown time between 3:43 pm and 8:50 pm. The Camp David Study Desk taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 186-002 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"CDSD","recordingDevice":"Camp David Study Desk","latitudeEstimated":39.648333,"longitudeEstimated":-77.465,"chronCode":"5.4","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part IV","chronReleaseDate":"8-Dec-2010","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 186-2\n\nDate: February 2, 1973\nTime: Unknown between 3:43 pm and 8:50 pm\nLocation: Camp David Study Desk\n\nWilliam Hirsch talked with Charlie C. Sumrell.\n\n       Taping system\n              -Machine and tapes\n                     -Location\n                            -Den","filename":["186-002.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Hirsch, William","Sumrell, Charles C. (\"Charlie\")"],"prevCode":"186-001","nextCode":"186-003","transcript":[{"start":0.55,"end":1.9,"text":"Almost there, sir."},{"start":1.92,"end":3.84,"text":"Yeah, Charlie, it's Hershey."},{"start":3.86,"end":4,"text":"Uh-huh."},{"start":4.02,"end":6.56,"text":"Hey, do you want the whole machine or just the tape?"},{"start":6.64,"end":11.71,"text":"The one in the den, just give me the tapes, and you can get the tape off the little one, just the tapes."},{"start":11.73,"end":14.31,"text":"Okay, well, I'll bring the whole little one."},{"start":14.47,"end":24.72,"text":"Okay, fine."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"William Hirsch and Charles Sumrell coordinate the retrieval of recording equipment and tapes located in the den at Camp David. They discuss the logistics of whether to transport the entire machine or simply remove the tapes for collection. The conversation concludes with the decision to bring both the tapes and the smaller recording device to the requested location.","topics":["Camp David","recording equipment","taping system","logistics","White House Tapes"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T09:44:50.085Z"},"topicSlugs":["camp-david","recording-equipment","taping-system","logistics","white-house-tapes"],"audioDurationSec":32,"audioFiles":[{"file":"186-002.mp3","bytes":217088,"durationSec":31.77,"bitrate":54659,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:33.323Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/186-002.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/186-002","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/186/conversation-186-002","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}