{"conversationCode":"186-005","tapeNumber":186,"conversationNumber":5,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-186-005","startDateTime":"1973-02-02T20:43:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-02-03T01:50:00.000Z","startDate":"2-Feb-1973","startTime":"3:43 PM","endDate":"2-Feb-1973","endTime":"8:50 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Kissinger, Henry A.; Camp David Operator; Howe, Jonathan T. (Cmdr.);","description":"On February 2, 1973, Henry A. Kissinger, Camp David operator, and Cmdr. Jonathan T. Howe talked on the telephone at Camp David at an unknown time between 3:43 pm and 8:50 pm. 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Scowcroft\n\nKissinger talked with the Camp David operator.\n\n       Call to Scowcroft\n               -Status\n\nKissinger talked with Cmdr. Jonathan T. Howe.\n\n       Kissinger’s schedule\n              -Trip to People’s Republic of China [PRC], February 15-19, 1973\n                      -Announcement\n                             -Robert F. Ingersoll\n                             -Ellsworth F. Bunker\n                             -Phillip C. Habib\n                             -Instructions from Kissinger\n                                     -Vietnam settlement\n                             -South Korea, Japan, France\n                             -West Germany\n                                     -Egon Bahr\n                             -Unknown person\n                             -Great Britain\n                             -Laos\n                                     -G. McMurtrie Godley\n                                             -Souvanna Phouma\n                                             -Emory C. Swank\n                             -“Peace in Aisi”\n                             -Taiwan, Republic of China\n                                     -Departure","filename":["186-005.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Kissinger, Henry A.","Camp David Operator","Howe, Jonathan T. (Cmdr.)"],"prevCode":"186-004","nextCode":"186-006","transcript":[{"start":10.66,"end":13.51,"text":"Mr. Kissinger, can you get me General Scowcroft urgently?"},{"start":14.01,"end":21.15,"text":"Thank you, sir."},{"start":21.17,"end":21.54,"text":"Yes, please."},{"start":21.8,"end":23.06,"text":"How are we doing on that call?"},{"start":23.08,"end":25.76,"text":"It's very urgent, because I'm holding up the whole party."},{"start":26.66,"end":28.66,"text":"We're getting him now, sir."},{"start":28.68,"end":31.57,"text":"He's not in his residence."},{"start":31.59,"end":33.55,"text":"We're trying to tailor a house."},{"start":33.57,"end":34.45,"text":"Well, never mind."},{"start":34.47,"end":36.53,"text":"See whether Commander Howe is in my office."},{"start":37.37,"end":37.51,"text":"Fine."},{"start":59.6,"end":86.01,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":86.58,"end":87.26,"text":"How are we doing?"},{"start":87.99,"end":89.55,"text":"All right, I'm talking to his office now."},{"start":98.08,"end":98.39,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":99.27,"end":101.11,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":101.49,"end":106.06,"text":"John, I suppose we haven't informed anybody about our announcement tomorrow."},{"start":107.53,"end":108.77,"text":"You mean other countries?"},{"start":108.79,"end":110.01,"text":"Yes."},{"start":110.31,"end":111.87,"text":"No, I don't believe so."},{"start":111.89,"end":113.99,"text":"God damn it, somebody has to think of these things."},{"start":114.07,"end":118.52,"text":"Now, will you do a back channel to Ingersoll, to Bunker, to Habib?"},{"start":120.28,"end":121.16,"text":"Right."},{"start":121.18,"end":133.93,"text":"And tell them to tell their principals at what time we're going to make this announcement, tip them the text, and say it's a regular consultation in the aftermath of the Vietnam settlement."},{"start":134.31,"end":134.51,"text":"Right."},{"start":135.42,"end":137.68,"text":"And will you get that out this evening?"},{"start":137.7,"end":138.66,"text":"Yes, sir, certainly."},{"start":138.68,"end":139.44,"text":"Now, wait a minute now."},{"start":139.62,"end":140.52,"text":"Who else would we do?"},{"start":140.54,"end":141.12,"text":"Korea?"},{"start":141.87,"end":144.15,"text":"Japan?"},{"start":144.17,"end":145.49,"text":"You might let the French know."},{"start":148.31,"end":148.53,"text":"All right."},{"start":149.69,"end":150.45,"text":"What about the Germans?"},{"start":151.56,"end":152.78,"text":"Oh, isn't that crucial?"},{"start":152.8,"end":154.68,"text":"Yeah, do a back channel to Bauer."},{"start":154.86,"end":156.26,"text":"Right."},{"start":156.28,"end":158.32,"text":"And have you done your luncheon test?"},{"start":158.34,"end":158.54,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":161.79,"end":163.07,"text":"Okay, and I suppose you've done the British."},{"start":163.59,"end":163.69,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":164.29,"end":165.37,"text":"All right, sir."},{"start":165.39,"end":166.61,"text":"I think that takes care of it."},{"start":166.9,"end":167.07,"text":"Yes."},{"start":167.09,"end":169.8,"text":"Oh, you might let Godley tell Suvana and Swank."},{"start":170.48,"end":171.38,"text":"All right."},{"start":171.4,"end":171.68,"text":"Okay?"},{"start":172.02,"end":172.26,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":172.3,"end":179.29,"text":"But it should be closely held, and that it's done in the spirit of contributing to peace in Asia."},{"start":180.03,"end":180.77,"text":"Right."},{"start":180.79,"end":183.27,"text":"Oh, and we have to tell Taiwan, call the Chinese."},{"start":183.29,"end":184.73,"text":"Wait, I've got to go with you."},{"start":184.75,"end":185.61,"text":"Yes."},{"start":185.67,"end":186.35,"text":"Okay, wait a minute."},{"start":187.07,"end":187.78,"text":"They're all leaving."},{"start":188.12,"end":189.7,"text":"All right, I'll check with you when I get in."},{"start":190.24,"end":191.94,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":191.96,"end":192.04,"text":"Bye."},{"start":192.06,"end":192.14,"text":"Bye."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"Henry Kissinger contacted Cmdr. 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