{"conversationCode":"186-008","tapeNumber":186,"conversationNumber":8,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-186-008","startDateTime":"1973-02-02T20:43:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-02-03T01:50:00.000Z","startDate":"2-Feb-1973","startTime":"3:43 PM","endDate":"2-Feb-1973","endTime":"8:50 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Sisco, Frank A.; Camp David Operator; [Unknown person(s)]; Morlan, Farrell D.;","description":"On February 2, 1973, Frank A. Sisco, Camp David operator, unknown person(s), and Farrell D. Morlan talked on the telephone at Camp David at an unknown time between 3:43 pm and 8:50 pm. 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Sisco talked with the Camp David operator.\n\n       Request for a call to the White House Signal Office\n\nSisco talked with the White House Signal Office.\n\n[See Conversation No. 241-4C]\n\n       Request for a call to Sgt. Farrell D. Morlan\n\n[Unknown people can be heard in background]\n\n       Tapes\n\nSisco talked with Morlan.\n\n       Recorders\n\n       Tapes\n               -The President’s schedule\n                       -Content\n                              -Music\n                       -Sony C-90\n                              -Sony C-120\n               -The President’s schedule\n               -Origin\n                       -Audiovisual [AV]\n                       -Recorders\n                       -Thomas Garner\n\f                                              -8-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                             Conversation No. 186-9 (cont’d)\n\nMorlan met with Fred R. Fried [?] at an unknown time between 3:43 pm and 5: 50 pm.\n\n                       -TC 40\n                              -Col. Lawrence Adams\n                       -Dissemination of information\n              -Kinds\n                     -Stoddard's\n                            -Sony C-120 tapes\n              -Return\n              -Test","filename":["186-008.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Sisco, Frank A.","Camp David Operator","[Unknown person(s)]","Morlan, Farrell D."],"prevCode":"186-007","nextCode":"186-009","transcript":[{"start":4.37,"end":10.41,"text":"Okay, give me a second."},{"start":10.44,"end":10.65,"text":"Okay."},{"start":11.46,"end":13.38,"text":"White House signal."},{"start":13.4,"end":20.13,"text":"Could you ring Sergeant Moore in his quarters for me, please?"},{"start":20.91,"end":22.21,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":22.39,"end":26.09,"text":"How many of them have been opened?"},{"start":26.29,"end":29.44,"text":"All of these have been opened."},{"start":29.48,"end":31.38,"text":"They come in a bag."},{"start":31.44,"end":32.18,"text":"They come in a bag."},{"start":35.7,"end":36.99,"text":"That's what I mean."},{"start":37.29,"end":38.73,"text":"You've got to check."},{"start":39.79,"end":43.14,"text":"You've got to get the damn things on with me."},{"start":43.46,"end":45.93,"text":"We've got 90s, 120s, 60s, and 30s."},{"start":47.25,"end":49.79,"text":"Is that open?"},{"start":50.17,"end":52.38,"text":"I don't know if that's open."},{"start":52.4,"end":54.84,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":71.34,"end":78.45,"text":"I don't have him to take me out, but it's something like 50-something."},{"start":79.35,"end":79.47,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":81.08,"end":81.26,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":82.32,"end":85.04,"text":"But if he did go to record something, he would erase it."},{"start":85.84,"end":86.98,"text":"He would erase that music."},{"start":87.14,"end":88.12,"text":"I know, but no way."},{"start":88.54,"end":89.18,"text":"Yeah, sir, morning?"},{"start":89.53,"end":89.62,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":90.21,"end":93.15,"text":"Say, you know these damn recorders I just got?"},{"start":94.35,"end":95.69,"text":"I got a bunch of tapes for me."},{"start":96.71,"end":99.82,"text":"The president just left, and I was checking to see if there was anything on the tape."},{"start":100.35,"end":102.04,"text":"And this one here's got music on it."},{"start":102.8,"end":105.04,"text":"Weren't these supposed to be blank tapes you sent me out?"},{"start":106.94,"end":107.08,"text":"When?"},{"start":107.1,"end":107.75,"text":"Uh, yesterday."},{"start":107.77,"end":112.45,"text":"I just got these Sony, uh, C90s."},{"start":115.24,"end":119.72,"text":"And, you know, I put out what I thought was two new tapes for them to use."},{"start":119.92,"end":123.03,"text":"They didn't give us the, uh, audio visual."},{"start":123.05,"end":123.51,"text":"Oh, they did?"},{"start":124.49,"end":126.04,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":126.06,"end":126.18,"text":"Huh?"},{"start":126.2,"end":126.28,"text":"Huh?"},{"start":127.76,"end":129.02,"text":"Who is it?"},{"start":129.18,"end":129.92,"text":"Mr. Cisco."},{"start":129.94,"end":130.52,"text":"Oh, I'm sorry."},{"start":130.7,"end":131.56,"text":"That's a Cam David."},{"start":132.76,"end":136.83,"text":"No, I didn't, uh, uh, let's see."},{"start":136.85,"end":138.55,"text":"I didn't get any C90s."},{"start":138.57,"end":140.06,"text":"I think you had your tapes up there."},{"start":141.04,"end":146.1,"text":"No, well, this is the, uh, I just picked up the two C90s yesterday."},{"start":146.76,"end":147.32,"text":"Down there."},{"start":148.16,"end":148.82,"text":"Uh-huh."},{"start":148.84,"end":152.89,"text":"And I come in to check after he left to see, you know, he has left, uh..."},{"start":152.91,"end":154.21,"text":"He should have picked up 120s."},{"start":154.51,"end":155.07,"text":"Didn't he?"},{"start":155.11,"end":157.22,"text":"Didn't you see that message up there?"},{"start":157.24,"end":158.86,"text":"The only thing the person wants to use is 120s."},{"start":160.22,"end":161.2,"text":"No, I didn't see that."},{"start":162.48,"end":163.56,"text":"All he wants to use is 120."},{"start":163.62,"end":165.51,"text":"120?"},{"start":166.45,"end":166.61,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":166.75,"end":167.89,"text":"I got 160s."},{"start":167.91,"end":171.34,"text":"Oh, you mean just 60s?"},{"start":171.36,"end":174.2,"text":"Well, this here says, uh, Scott ABC..."},{"start":174.52,"end":177.28,"text":"One, uh, 60, 30 minutes side."},{"start":177.84,"end":178.3,"text":"Oh, no."},{"start":178.86,"end":179.72,"text":"That's what I've got."},{"start":180.02,"end":181.2,"text":"You could have all 120."},{"start":181.22,"end":184.11,"text":"I didn't put it in the package unless your boy asked for a certain one."},{"start":186.19,"end":187.99,"text":"Well, I don't know."},{"start":188.05,"end":198.2,"text":"Because when I caught some man up there like you had plenty of them, you know, I just swapped out the bearing."},{"start":198.22,"end":199.26,"text":"You hear that?"},{"start":199.28,"end":200.44,"text":"That's, that's me, isn't it?"},{"start":201.04,"end":203.1,"text":"Yeah, did you have any up there?"},{"start":203.14,"end":203.78,"text":"No, I didn't have any."},{"start":203.98,"end":206.39,"text":"See, I didn't have any recordings until I got this."},{"start":206.83,"end":208.01,"text":"Is he coming up there?"},{"start":208.03,"end":211.83,"text":"Well, he was up there, and he left, and he's coming back tomorrow."},{"start":211.85,"end":212,"text":"Uh-huh."},{"start":212.01,"end":214.46,"text":"And I just wondered how in the devil I got tapes with music on them."},{"start":214.7,"end":217.18,"text":"That's a good question, and it must have been A.V."},{"start":217.2,"end":218.93,"text":"It couldn't have gone from me."},{"start":218.95,"end":221.69,"text":"Okay, well, I picked... Well, you're surprised."},{"start":221.71,"end":226.62,"text":"You gave me two, three recorders yesterday."},{"start":227.34,"end":228.2,"text":"Right, 53 recorders."},{"start":228.22,"end":230.02,"text":"And I got the tapes from you yesterday."},{"start":230.73,"end":232.39,"text":"He may have asked for tape."},{"start":232.51,"end":234.78,"text":"I don't think Garner got him for much."},{"start":234.79,"end":237.38,"text":"Well, I asked him to get the tapes yesterday."},{"start":237.72,"end":238.38,"text":"He only got two?"},{"start":238.92,"end":240.9,"text":"Well, I've got two down here with me."},{"start":241.46,"end":242.97,"text":"And one of them's got music on it."},{"start":242.99,"end":244.35,"text":"I just put two out for the box."},{"start":244.61,"end":249.75,"text":"Hold on a minute."},{"start":250.06,"end":250.36,"text":"Hey, uh, Sonny?"},{"start":250.38,"end":254.2,"text":"Did Garner pick up the tape yet?"},{"start":254.22,"end":255.62,"text":"Are these some that you had earlier?"},{"start":256.83,"end":271.18,"text":"Well, I don't know who he picked up the tapes from yesterday, but he picked them up yesterday."},{"start":271.24,"end":275.97,"text":"Well, what I told him is to check down there and see what they needed."},{"start":276.29,"end":279.64,"text":"and to bring back some of all of what the president used."},{"start":279.66,"end":281.46,"text":"Now, I haven't saw a message on anything."},{"start":281.88,"end":283.4,"text":"Okay, the only thing, uh..."},{"start":283.42,"end":288.25,"text":"But then Garner brought back 20s, 30s, 60s, and 90s yesterday."},{"start":288.29,"end":294.15,"text":"Grab, see, I'm going, a lot of people give you what you ask for, but you don't get the information out."},{"start":294.17,"end":297.72,"text":"You just like day to day, you didn't know what you were supposed to swap out that TC-40."},{"start":297.74,"end":301.58,"text":"No, I didn't even know I was supposed to get a TC-40 that Colonel Adams told me."},{"start":302,"end":304.08,"text":"Don't pass it on information."},{"start":304.11,"end":305.45,"text":"You have to buy three people and forget it."},{"start":305.81,"end":306.25,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":306.79,"end":313.03,"text":"Now, look, if you need tape, just go down to Stoddard there and buy yourself a dozen C-120s."},{"start":313.13,"end":314.91,"text":"C-120s?"},{"start":314.93,"end":315.31,"text":"C-120s."},{"start":315.35,"end":316.07,"text":"That's 120 minutes."},{"start":316.68,"end":317.38,"text":"Okay."},{"start":317.46,"end":319.72,"text":"That's all the president wants."},{"start":319.74,"end":320.04,"text":"Okay."},{"start":320.18,"end":321.74,"text":"C-20s, huh?"},{"start":321.86,"end":322.56,"text":"C-120s."},{"start":322.58,"end":323.04,"text":"C-120s."},{"start":323.06,"end":325.52,"text":"Well, I'll just pick up some from Stoddard tomorrow."},{"start":325.55,"end":325.94,"text":"Okay."},{"start":325.96,"end":330.45,"text":"And then all this mess I've got here, I'll send back to you because I don't want any of this being recorded on."},{"start":331.05,"end":331.85,"text":"Okay."},{"start":332.03,"end":333.65,"text":"Who do I send them to?"},{"start":334.29,"end":341.27,"text":"Okay, I'll just keep them here for test tapes."},{"start":341.49,"end":341.97,"text":"Okay."},{"start":342.05,"end":345.76,"text":"Then I'll get to see 120s from starters tomorrow."},{"start":345.88,"end":346.9,"text":"Okay, thanks a lot, then."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"Frank A. 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