{"conversationCode":"189-001","tapeNumber":189,"conversationNumber":1,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-189-001","startDateTime":"1972-05-17T13:14:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-05-17T13:33:00.000Z","startDate":"17-May-1972","startTime":"9:14 AM","endDate":"17-May-1972","endTime":"9:33 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Colson, Charles W.;","description":"On May 17, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Charles W. Colson met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David from 9:14 am to 9:33 am. 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(President)","Colson, Charles W."],"prevCode":"188-014","nextCode":"189-002","transcript":[{"start":39.77,"end":44.24,"text":"in the foreign policy direction?"},{"start":44.28,"end":44.52,"text":"Sure."},{"start":44.54,"end":59.45,"text":"Oh, I heard it."},{"start":59.63,"end":59.85,"text":"It's true."},{"start":88.65,"end":88.81,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":89.43,"end":89.67,"text":"Well..."},{"start":99.42,"end":100.28,"text":"I'd be surprised."},{"start":100.68,"end":102.22,"text":"Henry may not have..."},{"start":102.26,"end":110.36,"text":"He may have been a little too rough on him."},{"start":110.38,"end":110.94,"text":"Henry Stark, though."},{"start":119.52,"end":123.44,"text":"Well, well, let it go, let it go."},{"start":124.96,"end":126.5,"text":"He'll get some heat."},{"start":126.52,"end":127.78,"text":"We were close to him."},{"start":127.86,"end":128.88,"text":"We talked to him."},{"start":129.12,"end":138.57,"text":"We can't talk to everybody, but, yeah, yeah."},{"start":138.59,"end":138.81,"text":"All right."},{"start":138.83,"end":141.37,"text":"Well, let him know we're not, we're not a bit put out about his vote."},{"start":141.47,"end":143.87,"text":"Let's not let him feel, develop his feet deeper."},{"start":144.05,"end":144.53,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":151.62,"end":152.84,"text":"Right, good, good."},{"start":154.37,"end":162.85,"text":"Well, at least the vote's taking place, that's that."},{"start":162.95,"end":163.81,"text":"I heard that, yeah."},{"start":192.25,"end":192.47,"text":"Yeah?"},{"start":192.82,"end":193.38,"text":"Oh, he's great."},{"start":235.17,"end":235.71,"text":"Well, three is all right."},{"start":235.73,"end":236.07,"text":"We can take three."},{"start":236.09,"end":236.29,"text":"All right."},{"start":236.31,"end":236.45,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":236.55,"end":236.77,"text":"All right."},{"start":236.83,"end":236.99,"text":"Good."},{"start":264.11,"end":266.08,"text":"Hey, well, that's, uh, back to my books."},{"start":266.1,"end":266.3,"text":"All right."},{"start":266.34,"end":271.68,"text":"How are they doing?"},{"start":276.43,"end":276.55,"text":"Fine."},{"start":277.63,"end":281.05,"text":"I've got to, of course, uh, from now on, I'll just do a version of this."},{"start":299.91,"end":300.55,"text":"However, it's moving along."},{"start":300.67,"end":303.49,"text":"We're still going to be ups and downs, but I think the general trend is going to be up."},{"start":303.51,"end":304.83,"text":"If we can just hold our feet together."},{"start":304.85,"end":305.01,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":305.03,"end":307.15,"text":"Yeah, well, they may have a piece of bang on 18 because it's touching its birthday."},{"start":307.17,"end":307.39,"text":"So they do."},{"start":333.68,"end":333.76,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":333.78,"end":333.94,"text":"Right."},{"start":333.96,"end":334.06,"text":"Right."},{"start":371.03,"end":373.37,"text":"Well, Mansfield, of course, is just playing the dog in the manger thing."},{"start":373.41,"end":376.65,"text":"The son of a bitch just wants everything and gives nothing in return."},{"start":377.35,"end":378.29,"text":"It's getting pretty tiresome."},{"start":378.31,"end":388,"text":"Figures that something's going on here."},{"start":388.07,"end":397.2,"text":"He's really worried that maybe, you know, all of his theories may explode on him."},{"start":404.46,"end":412.56,"text":"Just get them up."},{"start":412.6,"end":423.93,"text":"They aren't going to do a damn thing."},{"start":424.03,"end":432.12,"text":"We don't want them."},{"start":432.14,"end":433.86,"text":"All right."},{"start":436.33,"end":440.61,"text":"Well, we just do our best."},{"start":440.65,"end":442.01,"text":"They don't confirm the nominees."},{"start":442.13,"end":443.41,"text":"It's a turning out now."},{"start":443.45,"end":446.83,"text":"They just had a devil along with unconfirmed nominees."},{"start":446.85,"end":449.23,"text":"We could turn that on them as an issue now, the way I feel it."},{"start":449.45,"end":452.24,"text":"I just think they've gone too far now."},{"start":456.94,"end":457.16,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":457.18,"end":464.96,"text":"Don't let him go first."},{"start":464.98,"end":465.6,"text":"That's right."},{"start":484.52,"end":487.02,"text":"No, we can simply say they've got that."},{"start":487.11,"end":488.19,"text":"It's because we have an inactive Senate."},{"start":488.21,"end":488.37,"text":"Right."},{"start":490.47,"end":490.65,"text":"Right."},{"start":492.39,"end":492.99,"text":"Right."},{"start":496.04,"end":496.76,"text":"Okay, good luck."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Charles Colson discussed political strategies regarding the stalling of administration nominees in the Senate, which Nixon proposed framing as an issue of congressional inaction. 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