{"conversationCode":"189-004","tapeNumber":189,"conversationNumber":4,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-189-004","startDateTime":"1972-05-17T13:41:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-05-17T13:44:00.000Z","startDate":"17-May-1972","startTime":"9:41 AM","endDate":"17-May-1972","endTime":"9:44 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Camp David Operator;","description":"On May 17, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Camp David operator met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at an unknown time between 9:41 am and 9:44 am. The Camp David Hard Wire taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 189-004 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"CDHW","recordingDevice":"Camp David Hard Wire","latitudeEstimated":39.648333,"longitudeEstimated":-77.465,"chronCode":3,"chronRelease":"Third Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"28-Feb-2002","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 189-4\n\nDate: May 17, 1972\nTime: Unknown between 9:41 am and 9:44 am\nLocation: Camp David Hard Wire\n\nThe President talked with the Camp David operator.\n\n     Return calls to Dr. William M. Lukash, Julie Nixon Eisenhower and Henry A. Kissinger","filename":["189-004.mp3"],"tapeStart":"00:18:28","tapeEnd":"00:19:29","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Camp David Operator"],"prevCode":"189-003","nextCode":"189-005","transcript":[{"start":1.2,"end":11.01,"text":"So, as you call me."},{"start":12.59,"end":17.19,"text":"Okay, I'll take, let me get Lukasz first, and then Julian, I guess."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon instructed the Camp David operator to facilitate a series of return phone calls to key individuals. He specifically requested that the operator connect him with Dr. William M. Lukash, Julie Nixon Eisenhower, and Henry A. Kissinger, in that order. This brief exchange served to organize the President's personal and official communications for the morning.","topics":["Presidential communications","William M. Lukash","Julie Nixon Eisenhower","Henry A. Kissinger","Camp David"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T09:47:12.459Z"},"topicSlugs":["presidential-communications","william-m-lukash","julie-nixon-eisenhower","henry-a-kissinger","camp-david"],"audioDurationSec":21,"audioFiles":[{"file":"189-004.mp3","bytes":836754,"durationSec":20.77,"bitrate":322256,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:33.324Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/189-004.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/189-004","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/189/conversation-189-004","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}