{"conversationCode":"189-005","tapeNumber":189,"conversationNumber":5,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-189-005","startDateTime":"1972-05-17T13:44:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-05-17T13:46:00.000Z","startDate":"17-May-1972","startTime":"9:44 AM","endDate":"17-May-1972","endTime":"9:46 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Lukash, William M.;","description":"On May 17, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and William M. Lukash met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David from 9:44 am to 9:46 am. The Camp David Hard Wire taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 189-005 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"CDHW","recordingDevice":"Camp David Hard Wire","latitudeEstimated":39.648333,"longitudeEstimated":-77.465,"chronCode":3,"chronRelease":"Third Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"28-Feb-2002","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 189-5\n\nDate: May 17, 1972\nTime: 9:44 am - 9:46 am\nLocation: Camp David Hard Wire\n\nThe President talked with Dr. William M. Lukash..\n\n     George C. Wallace\n          -Prognosis\n          -Call from President\n                -White House operator","filename":["189-005.mp3"],"tapeStart":"00:19:29","tapeEnd":"00:21:42","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Lukash, William M."],"prevCode":"189-004","nextCode":"189-006","transcript":[{"start":2.49,"end":4.17,"text":"Oh, yeah."},{"start":20.16,"end":20.38,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":26.08,"end":26.86,"text":"Oh, sure, sure."},{"start":26.94,"end":27.58,"text":"Well, we won't."},{"start":28.88,"end":29.8,"text":"We aren't going to say a word."},{"start":29.86,"end":30.38,"text":"You just do it."},{"start":30.42,"end":32.06,"text":"You just do it."},{"start":38.05,"end":40.2,"text":"But the prognosis will matter for the time."},{"start":40.24,"end":51.65,"text":"You can't tell."},{"start":51.69,"end":55.95,"text":"But the possibility of some paralysis is very high."},{"start":64.18,"end":65.2,"text":"Right, right."},{"start":71.95,"end":85.91,"text":"Well, I'll probably not do it this morning, but I'll do it through the White House operator if you leave the number with her."},{"start":85.93,"end":86.05,"text":"Good."},{"start":87.61,"end":87.91,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon consulted with his physician, Dr. William M. Lukash, regarding the medical prognosis of Governor George Wallace following his recent assassination attempt. Dr. Lukash advised that there was a high likelihood of paralysis, noting the unpredictability of Wallace's recovery. Nixon concluded the brief call by arranging to contact the governor later that day through the White House operator.","topics":["George Wallace","Assassination attempt","Medical prognosis","William M. Lukash","Presidential communication"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T09:47:17.964Z"},"topicSlugs":["george-wallace","assassination-attempt","medical-prognosis","william-m-lukash","presidential-communication"],"audioDurationSec":88,"audioFiles":[{"file":"189-005.mp3","bytes":3530501,"durationSec":88.12,"bitrate":320507,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:33.324Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/189-005.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/189-005","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/189/conversation-189-005","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}