{"conversationCode":"189-015","tapeNumber":189,"conversationNumber":15,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-189-015","startDateTime":"1972-05-17T15:09:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-05-17T18:26:00.000Z","startDate":"17-May-1972","startTime":"11:09 AM","endDate":"17-May-1972","endTime":"2:26 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); [Unknown person(s)];","description":"On May 17, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at an unknown time between 11:09 am and 2:26 pm. The Camp David Hard Wire taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 189-015 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"CDHW","recordingDevice":"Camp David Hard Wire","latitudeEstimated":39.648333,"longitudeEstimated":-77.465,"chronCode":3,"chronRelease":"Third Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"28-Feb-2002","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 189-15\n\nDate: May 17, 1972\nTime: Unknown between 11:09 am and 2:26 pm\nLocation: Camp David Hard Wire\n\nThe President dictated a portion of a memorandum to an unknown person.\n\n*****************************************************************\n\n[Previous National Security (B) withdrawal reviewed under MDR guidelines case number\nLPRN-T-MDR-2014-015. Segment declassified on 04/29/2019. Archivist: MAS]\n\n[National Security]\n[189-015-w001]\n[Duration: 36s]\n\n       Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]\n              -Nikolai V. Podgorny\n                     -Charles A. J. M. de Gaulle's funeral\n                            -US understanding of interest in meeting with the President\n                                     -Significance\n                            -Reception\n                                     -The President's two meetings with Nikolai V. Podgorny\n                     -Central Intelligence Agency [CIA]\n                            -Awareness of accuracy of US understanding\n\n*****************************************************************","filename":["189-015.mp3"],"tapeStart":"01:26:12","tapeEnd":"01:29:57","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","[Unknown person(s)]"],"prevCode":"189-014","nextCode":"189-016","transcript":[{"start":0.13,"end":8.89,"text":"The indication was that from Gartney, it said that he did not want to meet Nixon at Gall's General."},{"start":8.91,"end":12.84,"text":"And the indication was that he had followed that procedure."},{"start":12.89,"end":23.56,"text":"As a matter of fact, when we were there at the reception after the funeral, he made a special flight to come over to Newfoundland once or twice."},{"start":23.68,"end":28.54,"text":"I think we have to do a better job of"},{"start":30.04,"end":35.35,"text":"saying that the CIA is aware of what really happens in such cases."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon dictated a memorandum regarding his previous interactions with Nikolai Podgorny of the USSR during the funeral of Charles de Gaulle. The discussion focused on clarifying the accuracy of US intelligence reports concerning Soviet interest in meeting with the President. Nixon emphasized the need for the CIA to provide more precise assessments of these high-level diplomatic encounters.","topics":["Nikolai Podgorny","USSR","Diplomacy","CIA","Charles de Gaulle","Intelligence assessment"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T09:48:15.119Z"},"topicSlugs":["nikolai-podgorny","ussr","diplomacy","cia","charles-de-gaulle","intelligence-assessment"],"audioDurationSec":36,"audioFiles":[{"file":"189-015.mp3","bytes":1442795,"durationSec":35.93,"bitrate":321272,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:33.323Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/189-015.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/189-015","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/189/conversation-189-015","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}