{"conversationCode":"189-019","tapeNumber":189,"conversationNumber":19,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-189-019","startDateTime":"1972-05-17T18:36:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-05-17T18:40:00.000Z","startDate":"17-May-1972","startTime":"2:36 PM","endDate":"17-May-1972","endTime":"2:40 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Tkach, Walter R.;","description":"On May 17, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Walter R. Tkach met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David from 2:36 pm to 2:40 pm. The Camp David Hard Wire taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 189-019 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"CDHW","recordingDevice":"Camp David Hard Wire","latitudeEstimated":39.648333,"longitudeEstimated":-77.465,"chronCode":3,"chronRelease":"Third Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"28-Feb-2002","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 189-19\n\nDate: May 17, 1972\nTime: 2:36 pm - 2:40 pm\nLocation: Camp David Hard Wire\n\nThe President talked with Dr. Walter R. Tkach..\n\n[See Conversation No. 131-8]","filename":["189-019.mp3"],"tapeStart":"01:36:20","tapeEnd":"01:38:19","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Tkach, Walter R."],"prevCode":"189-018","nextCode":"189-020","transcript":[{"start":1.19,"end":4.7,"text":"So, when is Manolo getting back?"},{"start":4.78,"end":5.3,"text":"Do you know?"},{"start":7.55,"end":7.83,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":9.83,"end":10.01,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":13.78,"end":18.05,"text":"I said, on Manila, Walter, I'm going to have him go to Florida."},{"start":18.27,"end":29.99,"text":"Don't tell anybody about it, you know, anybody around, family or anybody else, because I'm just going to, Saturday morning, I've got a courier plan I have to send down anyway, and I'm going to have him be in a go with the dogs and stay there two weeks, which will be a good one."},{"start":30.99,"end":31.79,"text":"We can sit down there."},{"start":32.85,"end":33.05,"text":"Right."},{"start":33.45,"end":33.7,"text":"Good."},{"start":37.1,"end":38.76,"text":"They're not moving him today, then?"},{"start":41.48,"end":48.34,"text":"You see, the problem is I want to drop by and see him, but I don't want to see him there."},{"start":48.36,"end":57.81,"text":"And I wouldn't do it until Friday, but you don't think he'd be at Walter Reed by Friday?"},{"start":57.87,"end":62.13,"text":"The slightest idea, nobody on our staff has the slightest idea I'm going to do this, I understand."},{"start":62.15,"end":64.55,"text":"It'll be a draw because I don't want to build up and then not do it."},{"start":65.71,"end":69.39,"text":"But you mean they don't think they can move him until maybe Friday?"},{"start":76.77,"end":81.89,"text":"else is still grandma."},{"start":82.07,"end":88.55,"text":"If the pregnancy is bad, you mean if they could get the bullet out, would that change it?"},{"start":92.18,"end":96.16,"text":"I think, I think what you can just say, I called again."},{"start":96.38,"end":96.8,"text":"I called at 2.30."},{"start":97.34,"end":99.84,"text":"I called twice a day and that I sent my best."},{"start":99.86,"end":100.94,"text":"They had, he already"},{"start":102.08,"end":105.08,"text":"She, she, he and Katie didn't want to talk about it."},{"start":105.12,"end":108.17,"text":"But I, I just, just, just said that I sent my best wishes that I'm at Camp David."},{"start":108.39,"end":108.57,"text":"Okay."},{"start":108.59,"end":108.67,"text":"Bye."},{"start":109.55,"end":110.51,"text":"Bye-bye."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon consulted with his physician, Dr. Walter R. Tkach, regarding the medical status and transfer plans for Manolo Sanchez. Nixon directed Tkach to arrange for Sanchez’s convalescence in Florida following his medical treatment, emphasizing strict secrecy to prevent premature expectations or media attention. The President also discussed maintaining a discreet level of support by regularly expressing his well-wishes through Tkach without directly intervening in the hospital situation.","topics":["Manolo Sanchez","Medical care","Presidential staff","Convalescence","Operational security"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T09:48:37.841Z"},"topicSlugs":["manolo-sanchez","medical-care","presidential-staff","convalescence","operational-security"],"audioDurationSec":114,"audioFiles":[{"file":"189-019.mp3","bytes":4563905,"durationSec":113.95,"bitrate":320425,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:33.323Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/189-019.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/189-019","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/189/conversation-189-019","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}