{"conversationCode":"191-013","tapeNumber":191,"conversationNumber":13,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-191-013","startDateTime":"1972-05-18T15:38:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-05-18T15:42:00.000Z","startDate":"18-May-1972","startTime":"11:38 AM","endDate":"18-May-1972","endTime":"11:42 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Woods, Rose Mary;","description":"On May 18, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Rose Mary Woods met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David from 11:38 am to 11:42 am. 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(President)","Woods, Rose Mary"],"prevCode":"191-012","nextCode":"191-014","transcript":[{"start":1.09,"end":1.29,"text":"Hello."},{"start":2.93,"end":3.53,"text":"Were you back?"},{"start":4.83,"end":5.15,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":5.33,"end":9.1,"text":"Well, it's too bad to have to go on such a journey, but these things are necessary."},{"start":11.2,"end":12.12,"text":"Sure, sure."},{"start":12.16,"end":16.02,"text":"How are you getting... Oh, I'm pretty busy."},{"start":16.04,"end":19.29,"text":"I'm busy trying to do two weeks' work in two days."},{"start":19.3,"end":23.29,"text":"It's a little hard, but it's coming along, coming along."},{"start":23.47,"end":27.11,"text":"Are you getting all your stuff packed and so forth?"},{"start":30.05,"end":31.57,"text":"Yeah, there isn't much to do."},{"start":31.59,"end":37.35,"text":"We have one Wi-Fi, I guess."},{"start":37.47,"end":44.62,"text":"Oh, yes."},{"start":47.02,"end":48.6,"text":"By the way, this is all short dresses."},{"start":49.14,"end":53.32,"text":"Incidentally, you don't have to, I think, say anything to say to China, because it's the weather."},{"start":53.36,"end":54.64,"text":"Well, it's warmer than China."},{"start":54.72,"end":55.55,"text":"It's still darn cool."},{"start":58.07,"end":62.64,"text":"No, but I mean it's in the 40s to the 50s rather than the 80s and 90s like it was when we were there before."},{"start":63.44,"end":64.26,"text":"I checked the weather."},{"start":67.48,"end":69.92,"text":"In the south, yeah, but around Moscow it's doggone."},{"start":72.88,"end":74.54,"text":"You don't even worry about the warm weather."},{"start":75.02,"end":76.86,"text":"The spring comes very late there in the summer."},{"start":77.24,"end":77.82,"text":"Very, very late."},{"start":78.16,"end":78.61,"text":"Well, anyway."},{"start":80.31,"end":80.85,"text":"Sort of a mix."},{"start":85.44,"end":99.33,"text":"We just can't get anybody to finance it."},{"start":99.34,"end":109.87,"text":"Now that we've been around the track, we're taking several, but we have to just scrape the bottom receipt."},{"start":110.53,"end":113.97,"text":"The Reader's Digest doesn't finance it anymore, and they've got two or three, and I..."},{"start":114.62,"end":118.75,"text":"You know, we've tried to do everything we could for our elders, but you just can't do it."},{"start":118.81,"end":120.41,"text":"We just can't do it out of the government funds."},{"start":127.53,"end":134.62,"text":"They can do it, so there's no problem getting an extra person."},{"start":134.64,"end":137.44,"text":"I just talked about it a moment ago."},{"start":137.48,"end":138.12,"text":"Raise it with him."},{"start":138.97,"end":146.79,"text":"Because I know it's been raised, because I went over a whole list of people, and we scrounged around and getting people on, and normally couldn't go."},{"start":146.81,"end":154.45,"text":"I mean, some of them, the rates are a little bit less than the others, not much, but, you know, getting them to do writing for various people."},{"start":154.47,"end":160.09,"text":"But in Earl's case, see, the trouble is, we just can't get anybody to write because he won't get it done."},{"start":160.81,"end":162.15,"text":"You know what I mean?"},{"start":162.19,"end":166.75,"text":"That's the problem that I adjusted, because we'd love to, but we just can't justify it."},{"start":169.35,"end":171.13,"text":"if he's financed, if he's financed, that's fine."},{"start":173.89,"end":175.92,"text":"Well, talk about if he's financed, sorry."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and his personal secretary, Rose Mary Woods, discuss logistical preparations and travel concerns ahead of an upcoming trip to Moscow. The conversation shifts to the difficulties of funding support staff and personnel for official travel, specifically noting that government funds cannot cover these expenses for certain individuals. Nixon directs Woods to coordinate with other staff to finalize these arrangements, emphasizing the need for external financing.","topics":["Logistics","Moscow Summit","Staffing","Government Budgeting","Travel Preparations"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T09:52:13.929Z"},"topicSlugs":["logistics","moscow-summit","staffing","government-budgeting","travel-preparations"],"audioDurationSec":179,"audioFiles":[{"file":"191-013.mp3","bytes":7182436,"durationSec":179.41,"bitrate":320265,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:33.573Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/191-013.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/191-013","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/191/conversation-191-013","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}