Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 191 › Conversation 191-015

Nixon phone call with Haldeman on Earl Mazo and Herb Klein

Thursday, May 18, 1972 · 11:44 AM–11:45 AM ET · Camp David Hard Wire · 1 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Conversation191-015 on Tape 191 (tape position 00:41:44–00:43:12)StartThursday, May 18, 1972 at 11:44 AMEndThursday, May 18, 1972 at 11:45 AMRecording deviceCamp David Hard WireSourceNixon Library record for 191-015 ↗

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President Nixon and H. R. Haldeman briefly discuss the logistics of Earl Mazo's travel arrangements and potential financial concerns. The two evaluate whether Mazo can be justified for a "cut rate" or subsidized travel, considering Herb Klein's interest in the matter. They ultimately resolve to address the ambiguity of the financing through further coordination with Xavier.

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Yeah.
Did Rose reach you?
Yeah.
What she called me about is the Mazo problem.
And apparently Herb Klein is in the act and he's called and talked to her and says he's dying to go and so forth.
And I said, well, it's a pure case that my buddy will finance it.
You know, the reader's dog just can't go right in.
She says, well, no, Woodrow Wilson sent her for this and that and the other thing will pay its way and be
That's what I told her, that he could, you know, well, if you can, I mean, I have no objection to his going, but I don't believe we can, I don't think we can justify, you know, giving him a cut rate.
I mean, can you?
He's got a few other cut rates, but you know what I mean, the increase, I don't know if that's enough.
But it's a question of getting it unanswered.
First client should have talked to Xavier about it.
What the hell are you doing?
Yeah, okay, bye.

NARA Description

On May 18, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David from 11:44 am to 11:45 am. The Camp David Hard Wire taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 191-015 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 191-15

Date: May 18, 1972
Time: 11:44-11:45 am
Location: Camp David Hard Wire

The President talked with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.

[See Conversation No. 131-36]

Also recorded on May 18, 1972

  • 131-034 11:38 AM · 4 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Rose Mary Woods talked on the telephone at Camp David from 11:38 am to 11:42 am.
  • 131-035 11:42 AM · 6 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Camp David operator talked on the telephone at Camp David at 11:42 am.
  • 191-014 11:42 AM · 3 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Camp David operator met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at an unknown time between 11:42 am and 11:44 am.
  • 131-036 11:44 AM · 1 min — President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman talked on the telephone at Camp David from 11:44 am to 11:45 am.
  • 131-037 11:45 AM · 9 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Camp David operator talked on the telephone at Camp David at an unknown time between 11:45 am and 11:48 am.
  • 191-016 11:45 AM · 9 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Camp David operator met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at an unknown time between 11:45 am and 11:48 am.
  • 131-038 11:48 AM · 3 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Thelma C. ("Pat") (Ryan) Nixon talked on the telephone at Camp David from 11:48 am to 11:50 am.
  • 191-017 11:48 AM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Thelma C. ("Pat") (Ryan) Nixon met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David from 11:48 am to 11:50 am.

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Cite this conversation

Conversation 191-015, May 18, 1972. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/191-015 (accessed October 10, 2026).