{"conversationCode":"191-015","tapeNumber":191,"conversationNumber":15,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-191-015","startDateTime":"1972-05-18T15:44:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-05-18T15:45:00.000Z","startDate":"18-May-1972","startTime":"11:44 AM","endDate":"18-May-1972","endTime":"11:45 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\");","description":"On May 18, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David from 11:44 am to 11:45 am. The Camp David Hard Wire taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 191-015 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"CDHW","recordingDevice":"Camp David Hard Wire","latitudeEstimated":39.648333,"longitudeEstimated":-77.465,"chronCode":3,"chronRelease":"Third Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"28-Feb-2002","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 191-15\n\nDate: May 18, 1972\nTime: 11:44-11:45 am\nLocation: Camp David Hard Wire\n\nThe President talked with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.\n\n[See Conversation No. 131-36]","filename":["191-015.mp3"],"tapeStart":"00:41:44","tapeEnd":"00:43:12","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\")"],"prevCode":"191-014","nextCode":"191-016","transcript":[{"start":1.14,"end":1.42,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":2.26,"end":3.1,"text":"Did Rose reach you?"},{"start":3.96,"end":4.14,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":5.14,"end":8.68,"text":"What she called me about is the Mazo problem."},{"start":9.66,"end":16.23,"text":"And apparently Herb Klein is in the act and he's called and talked to her and says he's dying to go and so forth."},{"start":16.27,"end":20.11,"text":"And I said, well, it's a pure case that my buddy will finance it."},{"start":20.59,"end":23.45,"text":"You know, the reader's dog just can't go right in."},{"start":23.47,"end":27.51,"text":"She says, well, no, Woodrow Wilson sent her for this and that and the other thing will pay its way and be"},{"start":28.99,"end":42.18,"text":"That's what I told her, that he could, you know, well, if you can, I mean, I have no objection to his going, but I don't believe we can, I don't think we can justify, you know, giving him a cut rate."},{"start":43.44,"end":43.88,"text":"I mean, can you?"},{"start":45.37,"end":51.69,"text":"He's got a few other cut rates, but you know what I mean, the increase, I don't know if that's enough."},{"start":52.37,"end":54.23,"text":"But it's a question of getting it unanswered."},{"start":55.97,"end":57.66,"text":"First client should have talked to Xavier about it."},{"start":57.9,"end":59.46,"text":"What the hell are you doing?"},{"start":60.87,"end":61.43,"text":"Yeah, okay, bye."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and H. R. Haldeman briefly discuss the logistics of Earl Mazo's travel arrangements and potential financial concerns. The two evaluate whether Mazo can be justified for a \"cut rate\" or subsidized travel, considering Herb Klein's interest in the matter. They ultimately resolve to address the ambiguity of the financing through further coordination with Xavier.","topics":["Earl Mazo","Herb Klein","Travel expenses","White House logistics","Campaign financing"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T09:52:24.614Z"},"topicSlugs":["earl-mazo","herb-klein","travel-expenses","white-house-logistics","campaign-financing"],"audioDurationSec":64,"audioFiles":[{"file":"191-015.mp3","bytes":2550403,"durationSec":63.63,"bitrate":320661,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:33.574Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/191-015.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/191-015","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/191/conversation-191-015","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}