{"conversationCode":"191-017","tapeNumber":191,"conversationNumber":17,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-191-017","startDateTime":"1972-05-18T15:48:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-05-18T15:50:00.000Z","startDate":"18-May-1972","startTime":"11:48 AM","endDate":"18-May-1972","endTime":"11:50 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Nixon, Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan);","description":"On May 18, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan) Nixon met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David from 11:48 am to 11:50 am. The Camp David Hard Wire taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 191-017 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"CDHW","recordingDevice":"Camp David Hard Wire","latitudeEstimated":39.648333,"longitudeEstimated":-77.465,"chronCode":3,"chronRelease":"Third Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"28-Feb-2002","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 191-17\n\nDate: May 18, 1972\nTime: 11:48-11:50 am\nLocation: Camp David Hard Wire\n\nThe President talked with Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon.\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 11/06/2017.\nSegment cleared for release.]\n[Personal Returnable]\n[191-017-w001]\n[Duration: 01m 39s]\n\n[See Conversation No. 131-38-w001]\n\n[End of telephone conversation]\n\n******************************************************************************","filename":["191-017.mp3"],"tapeStart":"00:43:38","tapeEnd":"00:57:47","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Nixon, Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan)"],"prevCode":"191-016","nextCode":"191-018","transcript":[{"start":0.64,"end":1.68,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":2.8,"end":4.56,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":5.1,"end":24.15,"text":"I wondered if, you see, months and around, I think I've already indicated this, but except for the white tie and the accessories that I'll pick the suits myself tomorrow when I come back, the suits I want to take."},{"start":24.21,"end":26.45,"text":"Iran, yeah."},{"start":26.89,"end":29.12,"text":"There's no black, there's nothing else formal except"},{"start":30.7,"end":34.8,"text":"business suit for me, and short dresses go in it."},{"start":34.86,"end":36.14,"text":"So that's that."},{"start":36.16,"end":39.93,"text":"Now, on the weather, as I understand, is it quite around 50 to 60 degrees?"},{"start":44.27,"end":51.09,"text":"What about suits, winter or summer suits?"},{"start":51.27,"end":53.82,"text":"Mark Crawford would have the lightweight suits anyways."},{"start":53.84,"end":55.16,"text":"They're working."},{"start":55.34,"end":56.56,"text":"They're going to take lightweight."},{"start":56.58,"end":58.36,"text":"They're working, and I'll take heavier ones for the night."},{"start":60.91,"end":61.73,"text":"Yeah, it's colder there."},{"start":63.85,"end":65.39,"text":"I like the blue room."},{"start":74.22,"end":85.54,"text":"Uh, today, uh, foggy, uh, and, uh, I went swimming yesterday, so I'm going to go swimming again today, since we have my last one off before the weekend comes."},{"start":85.56,"end":89.25,"text":"I have, the Brains came up to say goodbye, and I have breakfast with them, so I have to"},{"start":90.7,"end":93.34,"text":"on our end, these good children and stuff like that."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Richard Nixon and First Lady Pat Nixon coordinate personal logistics and wardrobe preparations for an upcoming trip to Iran. The couple discusses the expected weather conditions to determine appropriate clothing requirements, specifically the need for both lightweight and heavier attire. Additionally, the President briefly mentions his daily routine at Camp David, including his swimming schedule and social engagements with staff members.","topics":["Pat Nixon","International travel","Iran","Camp David","Logistics","Weather"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T09:52:35.363Z"},"topicSlugs":["pat-nixon","international-travel","iran","camp-david","logistics","weather"],"audioDurationSec":99,"audioFiles":[{"file":"191-017.mp3","bytes":3973554,"durationSec":99.19,"bitrate":320464,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:33.573Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:43:01.509Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/191-017.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/191-017","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/191/conversation-191-017","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}