Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 192 › Conversation 192-005

Nixon phone call with Shultz on Federal Budget and Congressional Relations

Friday, June 9, 1972 · 10:29 AM–10:52 AM ET · Camp David Hard Wire · 3 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Shultz, George P.Conversation192-005 on Tape 192 (tape position 01:18:17–01:21:13)StartFriday, June 9, 1972 at 10:29 AMEndFriday, June 9, 1972 at 10:52 AMRecording deviceCamp David Hard WireSourceNixon Library record for 192-005 ↗

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President Nixon and George Shultz discuss administrative staffing and the challenges of managing the federal budget amidst congressional opposition. The pair evaluates the fiscal implications of various legislative initiatives, including welfare reform and revenue sharing, while identifying the need for strategic presidential vetoes on environmental spending bills. They also confirm the status of recent appointments and coordinate the upcoming arrival of John Ehrlichman to further address these budgetary and legislative priorities.

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close day, didn't you?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, so it was overwhelming, and only in a purely partisan vote, and not bad done.
Well, we thought we'd have, we used to have a swearing-in for all three on Monday.
We have a cap, too, so we can start the week off with everybody in place.
place, right?
I see John Erickman here shortly.
He's a writing back from Stockholm.
Totally.
Figure out some ways to veto some environment bills now.
I hope.
We sure have to save some money someplace.
I don't know where.
I'm serious.
Oh, God.
It's unbelievable.
I've read all this stuff.
Of course, when you look at the budget problem, you're figuring things.
They're picturing the outside, but we've got to realize the way the Congress goes unless we do lead to all these things.
We could reach that outside number of $55 billion in 1974, right?
But that's a figure that would happen, though, as I understand it, if we've got revenue sharing and if we've got welfare reform and if we've got the wire bill and if we've got all the other kind of things.
But anyway, we'll see.
We're glad you're through and that your people, you're 100% confirmed.
So that's fine, too.
And then you can...
That's right, that's right.
Right.
Can you get that?
Yeah, $66, that money.
You have to... You've got a poker line, that's what a poker is.
Yeah, right.
Right.
Right.
But Booker, obviously, he's old.
He's a pregnant.
He's trying to work a deal out.
But we can't allow Arthur with his tenacity to force on us something that we can't live with.
Well, anyway, have a good weekend.
Bye-bye.

NARA Description

On June 9, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and George P. Shultz met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David from 10:29 am to 10:52 am. The Camp David Hard Wire taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 192-005 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 192-5

Date: June 9, 1972
Time: 10:29-10:52 am
Location: Camp David Hard Wire

The President talked with George P. Shultz.

[See Conversation No. 133-24]

Also recorded on June 9, 1972

  • 133-022 10:23 AM · 15 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Camp David operator talked on the telephone at Camp David at 10:23 am.
  • 133-023 10:23 AM · 5 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Camp David operator talked on the telephone at Camp David at an unknown time between 10:23 am and 10:29 am.
  • 192-003 10:23 AM · 30 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Camp David operator met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at 10:23 am.
  • 192-007 10:24 AM · 27 min — President Richard M. Nixon and John N. Mitchell met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David from 10:24 am to 10:47 am.
  • 133-024 10:29 AM · 3 min — President Richard M. Nixon and George P. Shultz talked on the telephone at Camp David from 10:29 am to 10:32 am.
  • 133-025 10:32 AM · 8 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Camp David operator talked on the telephone at Camp David at an unknown time between 10:32 am and 10:34 am.
  • 192-006 10:32 AM · 21 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Camp David operator met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at an unknown time between 10:32 am and 10:34 am.
  • 133-026 10:34 AM · 13 min — President Richard M. Nixon and John N. Mitchell talked on the telephone at Camp David from 10:34 am to 10:47 am.

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Cite this conversation

Conversation 192-005, June 9, 1972. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/192-005 (accessed October 8, 2026).