{"conversationCode":"192-005","tapeNumber":192,"conversationNumber":5,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-192-005","startDateTime":"1972-06-09T14:29:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-06-09T14:52:00.000Z","startDate":"9-Jun-1972","startTime":"10:29 AM","endDate":"9-Jun-1972","endTime":"10:52 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Shultz, George P.;","description":"On June 9, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and George P. Shultz met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David from 10:29 am to 10:52 am. 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You've got a poker line, that's what a poker is."},{"start":4876.98,"end":4877.72,"text":"Yeah, right."},{"start":4879.47,"end":4879.69,"text":"Right."},{"start":4880.05,"end":4880.29,"text":"Right."},{"start":4880.99,"end":4883.69,"text":"But Booker, obviously, he's old."},{"start":4883.75,"end":4884.79,"text":"He's a pregnant."},{"start":4884.87,"end":4888.01,"text":"He's trying to work a deal out."},{"start":4888.35,"end":4896.9,"text":"But we can't allow Arthur with his tenacity to force on us something that we can't live with."},{"start":4899.62,"end":4901.31,"text":"Well, anyway, have a good weekend."},{"start":4901.85,"end":4902.29,"text":"Bye-bye."}],"transcriptBoundary":{"start":4735,"end":4902,"startMethod":"llm-alignment","endMethod":"llm-alignment"},"transcriptConfidence":"high","transcriptSource":"bigtape","originalFilename":["192a.mp3","192b.mp3"],"spliceSource":{"spliceType":"bigtape","sourceFiles":["192a.mp3"],"cutStart":4733.5,"cutEnd":4903.5,"adjustedStart":4733.5,"adjustedEnd":4903.5,"boundaryMethod":"llm-alignment","confidence":"high","splicedAt":"2026-09-18T14:10:23.230Z"},"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and George Shultz discuss administrative staffing and the challenges of managing the federal budget amidst congressional opposition. 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